Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
03-01-2023, 04:18 AM
#1451
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The 330A is still quite senior in NYC for example, I was an Airbus guy and would have loved to go to the 330, still not even close to the plug in NY in my 27th year. The ER isn’t so bad and the 767-400 a good option, having flown it as an FO.
Maybe as more 330s come online…
Maybe as more 330s come online…
03-01-2023, 05:08 AM
#1452
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I actually agree with JamesBond on a couple things… I don’t really expect domestic narrowbody rotations to improve much. The regionals will continue their slow collapse and as that continues more and more flying will be absorbed by the mainline narrowbody fleets. And as long as that trend continues the rotations likely won’t get better in the near term.
The new contract just means we’ll likely be paid more for the same flying we’re currently doing and it sets a solid foundation for continued improvements going forward.
The new contract just means we’ll likely be paid more for the same flying we’re currently doing and it sets a solid foundation for continued improvements going forward.
03-01-2023, 06:50 AM
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So are you saying that all this 'NB rotations suck' is a myth? It's either that or Delta has hired a stable full of masochists. Why would you put up with ****ty trips as a NB-A when you can make just about as much as a WB-B and have the easy life? Isn't this agreement all about QOL? Or do you think the rotations are going to become decent with the signing of this agreement?
And none of this post is intended as snippy
And none of this post is intended as snippy
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03-01-2023, 09:01 AM
#1454
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All else being equal (we know it isn’t), NBA could plausibly produce 60k more after-tax money every year than WBB at the new rates and with more soft money plus rising DC. Tuck that difference into investments growing 6% annually and in 15 years you’ll have an extra $1.5M. Arguably that’s a bigger difference than “just about as much”.
You have mentioned the satisfaction you get out of being debt-free; $1.5M sure buys down a lot of debt and/or gets your family work-optional much more rapidly than without that boost. It could also buy a franchise, a small business or two, investment properties, etc. - diversifying income streams nicely.
You have mentioned the satisfaction you get out of being debt-free; $1.5M sure buys down a lot of debt and/or gets your family work-optional much more rapidly than without that boost. It could also buy a franchise, a small business or two, investment properties, etc. - diversifying income streams nicely.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but honestly I have read post after post on here whining about the dismal QOL of being a NB-A, and now I see several posts that say 'meh... the money is worth it'.
03-01-2023, 09:08 AM
#1455
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I actually agree with JamesBond on a couple things… I don’t really expect domestic narrowbody rotations to improve much. The regionals will continue their slow collapse and as that continues more and more flying will be absorbed by the mainline narrowbody fleets. And as long as that trend continues the rotations likely won’t get better in the near term.
The new contract just means we’ll likely be paid more for the same flying we’re currently doing and it sets a solid foundation for continued improvements going forward.
The new contract just means we’ll likely be paid more for the same flying we’re currently doing and it sets a solid foundation for continued improvements going forward.
I'm gonna be interested to see how many SSs are actually generated on any regular basis. I don't think it will be as many as we think. I'm also interested to see how many more short call reserves will be required with the advent of 18 hour long call.
03-01-2023, 09:11 AM
#1456
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Let's dissect this. How does it set the foundation for improvements? By financially penalizing the company? SSs are at the company's pleasure. VAS is at the company's pleasure. Neither of which MUST be offered/implemented. They can go straight from GSs to reroutes and eat the 150%. That might be OK with many of you, but that is not necessarily an incentive to the company to not reroute. DAL is gonna make a **** load of money this year. Probably. That 150% is baked in for a certain percentage of flight hours. They've done the math. Guaranteed.
I'm gonna be interested to see how many SSs are actually generated on any regular basis. I don't think it will be as many as we think. I'm also interested to see how many more short call reserves will be required with the advent of 18 hour long call.
I'm gonna be interested to see how many SSs are actually generated on any regular basis. I don't think it will be as many as we think. I'm also interested to see how many more short call reserves will be required with the advent of 18 hour long call.
03-01-2023, 09:30 AM
#1457
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I challenge some of you to look at this contract from management's POV and think how you would use these items against the pilots instead of looking at it like the power drunk MEC that thinks we just pulled one over on them. Management is playing the long game. What you might think is valuable to them might not be.
Oh, and while I don't like this agreement... I plan on using what little is available in this thing to make absolutely as much money from DAL as I possible can in the time I have left since the retirement pillar was abandoned.
03-01-2023, 09:30 AM
#1458
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Wait... so now money is more important than QOL? Sorry I have a hard time keeping up on which is the more valuable on here.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but honestly I have read post after post on here whining about the dismal QOL of being a NB-A, and now I see several posts that say 'meh... the money is worth it'.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but honestly I have read post after post on here whining about the dismal QOL of being a NB-A, and now I see several posts that say 'meh... the money is worth it'.
03-01-2023, 09:31 AM
#1459
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Let's dissect this. How does it set the foundation for improvements? By financially penalizing the company? SSs are at the company's pleasure. VAS is at the company's pleasure. Neither of which MUST be offered/implemented. They can go straight from GSs to reroutes and eat the 150%. That might be OK with many of you, but that is not necessarily an incentive to the company to not reroute. DAL is gonna make a **** load of money this year. Probably. That 150% is baked in for a certain percentage of flight hours. They've done the math. Guaranteed.
I'm gonna be interested to see how many SSs are actually generated on any regular basis. I don't think it will be as many as we think. I'm also interested to see how many more short call reserves will be required with the advent of 18 hour long call.
I'm gonna be interested to see how many SSs are actually generated on any regular basis. I don't think it will be as many as we think. I'm also interested to see how many more short call reserves will be required with the advent of 18 hour long call.
Slide #19 footnote 1
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03-01-2023, 09:37 AM
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Interesting thought. PB days are certainly not in danger for this summer at least. They are gonna red line the hell out of us this summer just like they did last. But like I said, it will be interesting to actually see how much of this stuff is actually created. We won't know until they become active next November.
I challenge some of you to look at this contract from management's POV and think how you would use these items against the pilots instead of looking at it like the power drunk MEC that thinks we just pulled one over on them. Management is playing the long game. What you might think is valuable to them might not be.
Oh, and while I don't like this agreement... I plan on using what little is available in this thing to make absolutely as much money from DAL as I possible can in the time I have left since the retirement pillar was abandoned.
I challenge some of you to look at this contract from management's POV and think how you would use these items against the pilots instead of looking at it like the power drunk MEC that thinks we just pulled one over on them. Management is playing the long game. What you might think is valuable to them might not be.
Oh, and while I don't like this agreement... I plan on using what little is available in this thing to make absolutely as much money from DAL as I possible can in the time I have left since the retirement pillar was abandoned.
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