Nantonaku

It has been debated a ton already, no one seems to know if the rotations will improve. The company probably doesn't even know. I'd guess they get marginally better but all the pay no credit bull stuffed into this thing will probably just result in people getting paid more to fly the same trips with the same number of days off. Hopefully some of the provisions result in people getting an extra day off a month. I just don't see the TA bringing about a large change in AE bidding strategies. I've never heard anyone bidding strictly to avoid reroutes like you alluded to in an earlier post. I don't think reroutes are as prevalent as you think, definitely not to the point that someone's main AE bidding strategy is to avoid reroutes. Plus the TA would result in people wanting reroutes wouldn't it?

Sniper66

that was at one point a thing
16 764s for your 777s
delta did not agree

PilotBases

Heard the 764s were not in shape worth taking. Total rumor.

Baradium

I was trying to make a funny, but rereading it I can see the sarcasm wasn't obvious. I was trying to imply we would get airframes for no other reason than to make them happy.

FangsF15

I suspect initially, the company will be forced to keep the rotations substantially the same, because they won’t have the manning to do otherwise. So, in the short run, we’ll simply get paid more for (mostly) the same rotations.

But, sometime during the contract term, the hiring/manning will catch up, and they will be able to largely eliminate most of the pay/no credit from rotation construction, and rotations will improve. BL:it will take time, but we’ll get much better rotations over the next couple years, especially after summer ‘24.

Until that tide turns, I’m not sure we’ll see large changes in AE bidding behavior, though there will certainly be some changes on the margins as some will take advantage of some part of the TA, like pay banding or WB B paying close to current-book NB A.

But I’ve leaned not to put too much stock in prognostications, especially my own. 😂

Funk

Which is why they kept flying them while their 777s had to sit. (Sarcasm) The deal may have been paused or cancelled when they couldn’t fly their 777s.

Never underestimate Delta’s willingness to buy cheap planes.

crewdawg

My QOL has been significantly better as a NB A vs my time as a WB B. Then again, I hated 6 day trips, that I really considered 7 days because I was a zombie the day after the trip. I was generally able to avoid them, but they appear to be chronically understaffing WBs, so that wouldn't be as easy today. Love being able to bid 3 day block (and drop middle day) of reserve and rarely spend more than 2 nights away at a time...preferably none.


Not everyone fits my situation, but it's not all as terrible as some make it out to be. I expect it to only get better under the new contract. This from a guy who (pre-rona) swore he'd stay WB B until he could hold WB A.

interceptorpilo

HTH do you drop middle day? Don’t you need blue days and PB days to do that? What category has blue days?

TED74

Not the charts/numbers I’ve heard. And a high percentage of our 3yr FOs are already in dual-income families WAY over inflection points. Humans don’t tend to do what makes them happy. In my observation they usually do what they imagine will make them happy.

TED74

All else being equal (we know it isn’t), NBA could plausibly produce 60k more after-tax money every year than WBB at the new rates and with more soft money plus rising DC. Tuck that difference into investments growing 6% annually and in 15 years you’ll have an extra $1.5M. Arguably that’s a bigger difference than “just about as much”.

You have mentioned the satisfaction you get out of being debt-free; $1.5M sure buys down a lot of debt and/or gets your family work-optional much more rapidly than without that boost. It could also buy a franchise, a small business or two, investment properties, etc. - diversifying income streams nicely.