172skychicken

You're missing a big one. The 1 for 1 pay for duty days scheduled or actual over 10 hours would add a ton of credit on most of the trips the company is building right now.

NuGuy

This. What makes a rotation "crappy"? It's usually a really long duty day coupled with short overnights. What you want is to compress the duty day, which has the side effect of reducing/eliminating the sit arounds, and lengthening the layovers.

The 13 hour hard cap on duty days plus the consecutive layover language gets part way there, but they key is the extended duty day language. Look at how the language and examples work. It's pay only, which means it goes on top of all other pay as well as the reserve guarantee. And it goes on top of the the ADG, the cutout pay, the sit pay and any reroute pay. If you're flying after 10 hours, you're essentially getting double pay. Do the math and you come up with some really interesting examples. DH, release time, it all counts towards the extended duty pay. Greater of actual or scheduled.

It doesn't take much to push a a 15:45 3 day to 18 hours, or a 21 hour 4 day to 25 hours. Really, just a couple of 12 hour days. If you're not getting the pay, that means you have a short duty day, which means better rotations.

My guess is the credit surfers will change their game plan to these trips. They pay standard credit, but every rotation paying a couple hours more due to the additional pay. All of those trips will get snapped up.

crazyjaydawg

Define ‘stabilize’. With 16,000+ pilots, every bid from now on will have a ton of moving parts.

CR’s biggest consternation with a BOS base is what it would do to NYC. NYC is already chronically understaffed and opening a new category geographically so close, would only cause a giant headache that I don’t think they’re willing to take on any time soon.

Now maybe when the next recession hits and they’re going to MD people anyways…

marcal

If I lived in BOS I wouldn’t want a base there. If you are in NYC you can bid BOS layovers and be home every night if you want. A base there gets rid of all of that.

172skychicken

I think that's definitely part of it. When I say stabilize, I mean actually get everyone in seats. Right now we do have 15000 on property, but we're still working through training newhires and regrowing the airline. Refilling all the narrowbody A spots and widebody spots in both seats. I don't think they're going to entertain SLC330 and especially BOS320 until they feel like they have the deck chairs where they want them.

nene

vs commuting to/from trips? Home layovers can be more of a drag if you don't live a hop/skip/jump from home airport and only 12hrs off to make the commute both ways, usually in the dark both ways.

hockeypilot44

The big one is the 10 hour duty day.

LumberJack

Thank you that is a big one I missed, however looking at my last 3 months of trips, that would have paid me 3.5 hours. That's about a 1% pay bump. Not bad, but not going to move the needle on QOL.

All these improvements combined will improve a few outlier trips, but the vast majority of pilots won't notice much of a difference.

I hope I'm wrong, but I predict the optimizer easily targeting 10hr FDP's, 3hr sits, and 10,12,10 hr overnights.

Scoop

The sit pay will kick in above 2hours starting in 2024 - so we got that going for us, which is nice.

Scoop

RonRicco

Granted, you never know how the trips will actually look, but if you go back to last spring and look at the ATL trips on the 73, there is no doubt it would force improvements. 4 day trips with no layover greater than 11.5 scheduled. That alone means you had to be close to max duty on 3 of the days.