Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
02-10-2023, 03:35 PM
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When discussing a seniority number to reach WB A in ones career, keep in mind you're probably being conservative if you just snap shot 2023:
- We have 112 WBs at top rate, but a WB fleet of 150+ if including 767-300s. Those 45 ERs are being replaced by larger WBs, and will be gone in a decade. Even in a static 1-1 replacement/zero growth model, WB A will be a higher seniority number.
- As the airline grows over the course of your career, so should total pilot headcount. Relative seniorty to reach the WB A may likely be the same %, but arrive at a higher digit seniority number. Another factor is if we grow international block hours at a higher rate than we normally do.
02-11-2023, 05:05 AM
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Can we all agree that looking at final retirement number when you are 25 years old or even 50 is a joke?
So much has to go right…no mergers, airline stays in business, robots don’t take your job, world war, hyper loop, not to mention by far the most possible derailment - your health.
I agree it’s fun to look though.
More importantly than what you finish at though, is how long you remain in a top percentage.
So much has to go right…no mergers, airline stays in business, robots don’t take your job, world war, hyper loop, not to mention by far the most possible derailment - your health.
I agree it’s fun to look though.
More importantly than what you finish at though, is how long you remain in a top percentage.
02-11-2023, 05:49 AM
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[edited because my reading comprehension sucks]
If we hire 2,000 this year, by the end of the year approximately 2/3 of our pilots will have been hired since 2014. on 1/1/24 the most senior 2014 hire is projected to be about 5900 and at that pace our pilot group would be about 16,500.
after the GS and hiring bonanza dies down I think quite a few 14-20 hires will bid the left seat and it will go back to taking about 65-70% RS company wide to hold CA, with maybe some below that in NY.
If we hire 2,000 this year, by the end of the year approximately 2/3 of our pilots will have been hired since 2014. on 1/1/24 the most senior 2014 hire is projected to be about 5900 and at that pace our pilot group would be about 16,500.
after the GS and hiring bonanza dies down I think quite a few 14-20 hires will bid the left seat and it will go back to taking about 65-70% RS company wide to hold CA, with maybe some below that in NY.
Oh, and this advice only applies if you are junior to me!
02-11-2023, 06:46 AM
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Can we all agree that looking at final retirement number when you are 25 years old or even 50 is a joke?
So much has to go right…no mergers, airline stays in business, robots don’t take your job, world war, hyper loop, not to mention by far the most possible derailment - your health.
I agree it’s fun to look though.
More importantly than what you finish at though, is how long you remain in a top percentage.
So much has to go right…no mergers, airline stays in business, robots don’t take your job, world war, hyper loop, not to mention by far the most possible derailment - your health.
I agree it’s fun to look though.
More importantly than what you finish at though, is how long you remain in a top percentage.
02-11-2023, 06:57 AM
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When discussing a seniority number to reach WB A in ones career, keep in mind you're probably being conservative if you just snap shot 2023:
- We have 112 WBs at top rate, but a WB fleet of 150+ if including 767-300s. Those 45 ERs are being replaced by larger WBs, and will be gone in a decade. Even in a static 1-1 replacement/zero growth model, WB A will be a higher seniority number.
- As the airline grows over the course of your career, so should total pilot headcount. Relative seniorty to reach the WB A may likely be the same %, but arrive at a higher digit seniority number. Another factor is if we grow international block hours at a higher rate than we normally do.
02-11-2023, 08:44 AM
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I will say going on podcasts to tell people you’re gonna retire #1 or the new latest is “youngest 767 captain in the United States” as just went trending on YouTube is quite possibly the most cringe thing you could do.
and no you won’t be an international captain, you’re going to Orlando followed by 4 legs the next day.
and no you won’t be an international captain, you’re going to Orlando followed by 4 legs the next day.
02-11-2023, 09:26 AM
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I will say going on podcasts to tell people you’re gonna retire #1 or the new latest is “youngest 767 captain in the United States” as just went trending on YouTube is quite possibly the most cringe thing you could do.
and no you won’t be an international captain, you’re going to Orlando followed by 4 legs the next day.
and no you won’t be an international captain, you’re going to Orlando followed by 4 legs the next day.
02-11-2023, 10:32 AM
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Hope the money is worth it to those who do it.
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