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Old 02-09-2023, 04:30 AM
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Question from an outsider, what is the most Junior NYC 320A? TIA
The ALPA tool we have says 10,670.
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Old 02-09-2023, 04:39 AM
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I think someone with only 2 years on property has been awarded it. Might not have converted yet
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The ALPA tool we have says 10,670.
Oct AE junior awarded was 12,826.
Between the Aug and Oct AEs, 18 CA positions awarded to people 12,000+ on the seniority list
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Old 02-09-2023, 04:49 AM
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Thank you for the responses above. Very much appreciated.
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Old 02-09-2023, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Question from an outsider, what is the most Junior NYC 320A? TIA
9 NOV 2021 hire at the moment is the junior most NYC 320A showing on the February seniority list.

Might be someone more junior who was awarded but not converted yet, but that's what the list has.
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Old 02-09-2023, 05:28 AM
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Showing a JAN 22 hire as the junior guy when he eventually converts.
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Old 02-09-2023, 06:08 AM
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Showing a JAN 22 hire as the junior guy when he eventually converts.
Excellent intel, thank you.
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Old 02-09-2023, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Thank you for the responses above. Very much appreciated.
Take this FWIW. You’ve probably been around long enough to know this already, so apologies if this seems obvious, but it’s worth saying for anyone who might be lurking or making a decision based of the answer of the current snapshot in time.

Captain Upgrade timing is at historic speeds. It may not stay this fast. Bidding behavior is shifting due to rapid hiring, horrible bid packages due to “the optimizer”, and a few other factors. The new contract may play a role, TBD. I highly doubt we will go back to the 15-year Captain upgrades of old, but don’t be surprised if things settle out closer to 5+ year upgrades when ‘bidding amplitudes’ settle down to a sustainable level. Even in NY, which will always be our junior base. Who knows?

Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Take this FWIW. You’ve probably been around long enough to know this already, so apologies if this seems obvious, but it’s worth saying for anyone who might be lurking or making a decision based of the answer of the current snapshot in time.

Captain Upgrade timing is at historic speeds. It may not stay this fast. Bidding behavior is shifting due to rapid hiring, horrible bid packages due to “the optimizer”, and a few other factors. The new contract may play a role, TBD. I highly doubt we will go back to the 15-year Captain upgrades of old, but don’t be surprised if things settle out closer to 5+ year upgrades when ‘bidding amplitudes’ settle down to a sustainable level. Even in NY, which will always be our junior base. Who knows?

Best of luck.
I agree. The trips will get better in September or they will pay 20 percent more credit. Once the trips get more tolerable, senior pilots will start upgrading again.
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Old 02-09-2023, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Take this FWIW. You’ve probably been around long enough to know this already, so apologies if this seems obvious, but it’s worth saying for anyone who might be lurking or making a decision based of the answer of the current snapshot in time.

Captain Upgrade timing is at historic speeds. It may not stay this fast. Bidding behavior is shifting due to rapid hiring, horrible bid packages due to “the optimizer”, and a few other factors. The new contract may play a role, TBD. I highly doubt we will go back to the 15-year Captain upgrades of old, but don’t be surprised if things settle out closer to 5+ year upgrades when ‘bidding amplitudes’ settle down to a sustainable level. Even in NY, which will always be our junior base. Who knows?

Best of luck.
I absolutely appreciate your insight. Between widgetseniority.com and info here just doing some mental “coulda, woulda, shoulda”.
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