Gspeed

Having used both line bidding and PBS I can say unequivocally that PBS is better.
#contractlanguagematters

Also, I can’t trust CR to build rotations nowadays, so how could I trust them to build rotations AND lines? #hardpass

BobbyLeeSwagger

Truth ..........

crewdawg

PBS and line bidding...none of it means much if there isn't good contractual language to back it up.

Edit...worked under both as well.

Scoop

In my best Joe Biden "C'mon Man" you left out the other half of the sentence. I said:

"PBS does not allow/preclude trips touching or any of the other good/bad stuff that is associated with it. PBS is essentially a computer program that turns our PWA into a schedule via the bidding process."


The discerning reader will note that you only quoted the "does not allow" part and left out the "does not preclude" part. Meaning PBS just does what the PWA says which I why I said it is essentially a computer program.........

If you can't see this I am going to have pull out my Inigo Montoya Princess Bride quote.

Scoop

ShyGuy

Plus retro pay to Sept 1, meaning two months at total credit x difference to new payrate. Most CAs will be about $40k for the signing bonus. I think mine will be 41k.


The contract is a solid gain for Alaska. We had no scope - the only 'legacy' airline not to have [anything]. This brings it up to industry standard (or even better, eg, no codeshare unless union approval).

Pay snap ups AND 401k snap ups. For retirement, we get 16% now but if 3 of the 5 carriers (AA, DL, UA, SW, B6) get 17% for 401K, then we snap up to 17%. AFAIK, Alaska is the only pax carrier that still has full pension plans for some pilots and partial pension / rebalanced pilots. Their DC system is different (lower, I think 13.5% or 14%).

The rumor is with the large increase in interest rates, some senior full pension guys could take a 250k-300k+ hit on their lump sum so apparently as long as they punch out by Nov 30, they can be locked in to the prior rates and (apparently) not lose that 250k-300k. I don't know the details since I'm not a pension guy, but just line talk that we might see an uptick in senior AS pilots w/ pension pull the early retirement cord and walk with their lump sum.

ShyGuy

Our vacation days with PBS will have some really neat nuggets. First, opt into "vacation low" and that allows the system to give you just 68 hrs credit for the month and be done.

Lets use 7 vacation days for example. The pay is 3:45 x 7 = 26:15. But then you can select an option in which PBS sees "virtual" credit applied for 1 hr additional per vacation day, up to 7 vac days in a row per month. So PBS will see a "credit" of 4.75 x 7 = 33:15

Now all you need for the whole month is 68. Doing the math, 68 - 33:15 = 34:45 That's what you need for the remaining month: trips that add to 34:45. That could be a 4 day and a 2 day. Or two 3-day trips.

Bottom line, there is easily a case for having just ~6 days of flying in a month in which we have 7 vacation days, as long as you bid accordingly and accept 61 hrs actual pay for the month.

Actual vacation pay of 26:15 plus your trips that were 34:45 = 61. Of course, you are free to pick up open time but as far as the PBS award goes, I think these rules are pretty neat.

We can still split vacation up. Eg, 3 days in one month and 4 days in another month with PBS. Down side is, we cannot use those "apply virtual credit" unless you have 5 consecutive vacation days in a row.

hockeypilot44

It’s on ALPA website. You can see what it is first hand.

rickair7777

AS ALPA will build the pairings. Within some cost constraints.

JamesBond

So just to be clear, they gave their company a whole bunch of labor back to the amendable date of their contract, for old rates and no raises. Way to go eskimos.

Dayzzofff

They had one of the worst contracts in the industry. They needed this more than you.