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Old 10-17-2022, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PSpuza
Would gladly trade a few % increase in pay for Union supervised pairing construction and 14hr long call. I was under the impression DALPA was shooting for some QOL gains but everyone just keeps talking about pay.

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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
They have snap up for rates too dont they?

Ding ding! They did some good lifting for themselves and got some big scope/QOL improvements. They got a raise, but they’re going to let one of the big three hit the home run.
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Old 10-17-2022, 04:40 PM
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If DALPA polled it, do you think Delta pilots would choose to go back to hard lines vs PBS?
Alaska had line bidding, with none of the benefits of it to the pilots. Example: trips touching vacation are not dropped…ect.
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Old 10-17-2022, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RightSide
Trying to sift through the 10 Alaska forms… Anyone have some of the highlights from Alaska’s TA?

https://www.alaskapilots.org/
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Old 10-17-2022, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mikea72580
Alaska, who’s contract substantially lagged the Big 4, made large gains in QOL and compensation.

-Union Control of Rotation Construction
-150%-200% premium pay for Re-Routes
-Introduction of PBS
-Long Call - 14 hours
-Training Day- 5 Hours
- 14.9/4/4 compensation bump

This contract was about moving their QOL up to the Big 4 and in a few areas they surpassed us. Previously, they severely lagged the industry in pay, their new 2022 rate is 7.4% above our current PWA(73N). 14.9% raise was not enough to match inflation during the period between their last contract.

Passed 82% based on substantial gains relative to their previous PWA.

Will the Big 4 also make substantial gains to QOL?

Discuss…..
Did I miss the part about retro?
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Old 10-17-2022, 05:05 PM
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No retro just a bonus based on years of service max Captain is 33k FO 22k.
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Old 10-17-2022, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HD Norm
Moving to a MAX fleet Air group receives a %10 average revenue increase with a decreased operating cost.
Getting a %7 pay increase is an insult.
Also, salt in the wound, their wholly owned regional pilots earns a much higher Pay per revenue seat pay rate than the major. This is not including cargo revenue.
And for quality of life, bring up you standards to other air carriers is not an accomplishment for a 90 year old “legacy” carrier.
not a 7% raise
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Originally Posted by HD Norm
Moving to a MAX fleet Air group receives a %10 average revenue increase with a decreased operating cost.
Getting a %7 pay increase is an insult.
Also, salt in the wound, their wholly owned regional pilots earns a much higher Pay per revenue seat pay rate than the major. This is not including cargo revenue.
And for quality of life, bring up you standards to other air carriers is not an accomplishment for a 90 year old “legacy” carrier.
down the line increases
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Old 10-17-2022, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
Not a chance. Retro is a joke. They’re moving to PBS which is a huge concession and a large productive gain for the company. With that in mind, all they could gin up is 14.9/4/4? Like I said. Well I’ve changed my mind. Huge smelly turd…
In talking with a Alaska pilot, their line bidding sucked already. All conflicts and trip touching was dropped WITHOUT pay, and they had to pickup something to get back to a min line, or Skeds could ASSIGN them a trip to bring them back up to assigned line value. Their present system sounded worse than PBS!
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
Ding ding! They did some good lifting for themselves and got some big scope/QOL improvements. They got a raise, but they’re going to let one of the big three hit the home run.
Richard move when you are an ALPA carrier. ALPA should take that out of their playbook. What happens when all the other carriers play this same game? Besides, the language is terrible and it will never be triggered from what I gathered when reading the TA originally. Multiple carriers would have to hit home runs. We know APA and United aren’t looking for home runs. And if Alaska is playing this game then we should too and put all of our energy into other areas focusing solely on QOL.
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