Alaska TA Passes- Joining UPS as first movers
10-21-2022, 08:31 AM
#101
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I don’t know what career path you are on but I’ve been doing this for 16 years and I can count on one hand the number of years I’ve gotten more than two weeks of vacation.
10-21-2022, 08:51 AM
#102
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That is an opinion. I have one too. Our Vacation Sux.
Make that two opinions… you are wrong our vacation is not even vacation like other industries get. Ours is like forced time off when the company dictates. Kind of like the auto plants shut down each year for model turnover. You literally have no choice when it’s taken.
Make that two opinions… you are wrong our vacation is not even vacation like other industries get. Ours is like forced time off when the company dictates. Kind of like the auto plants shut down each year for model turnover. You literally have no choice when it’s taken.
10-21-2022, 08:58 AM
#103
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Most other industries, especially those on a union contract use vacation days. So if you have a week with a federal holiday on a Monday, for example, you only need to use 4 more vacation days to get that whole week off. These same types of jobs often are off from Christmas through the new year, thanksgiving weekend, the 4th of July etc.
10-21-2022, 09:03 AM
#104
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Immediate rebuttal in the same paragraph is pretty good. You've confirmed we are like other seasonal industries. We actually get a choice based on seniority, like every other unionized workforce that bids for vacation. It is much better than model year turnover. All seasonal workforces have vacation limitations like accounting, agriculture or education for starters. Give Delta the option for 60 hour months in the winter and we could probably get more summer weeks if that is what you are after.
10-21-2022, 09:20 AM
#105
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That’s the only comparison (autos) yet they still get weeks of discretionary vacation. We are not seasonal workers no matter how “hot” management runs June-August. Our vacation is not discretionary, I know that is how our system works but now is the opportunity to make it better. Better access to desired weeks and better pay are the objectives. We can do that within our system, the comparison is irrelevant was my point.
10-21-2022, 09:20 AM
#106
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How about compare to other airlines instead of other industries?
It seems that was where the NC was aiming us in the contract comparison.
6th week like UAL?
Faster vacation accrual steps (earlier in your career)?
Higher daily value (if I’m reading it right Alaska just achieved 3:45/day so our TVAC+ weeks at 3:30/day are even more lacking)?
More IVD flexibility? These are hugely beneficial - move that unwanted day in Feb to dump a “black day” August trip.
What else?
If they can get us to at/near the top of our industry peers on that comparison doc we will have vastly improved the value & utility of our vacation. Then on to the next PWA section. Grab gains and keep moving forward.
It seems that was where the NC was aiming us in the contract comparison.
6th week like UAL?
Faster vacation accrual steps (earlier in your career)?
Higher daily value (if I’m reading it right Alaska just achieved 3:45/day so our TVAC+ weeks at 3:30/day are even more lacking)?
More IVD flexibility? These are hugely beneficial - move that unwanted day in Feb to dump a “black day” August trip.
What else?
If they can get us to at/near the top of our industry peers on that comparison doc we will have vastly improved the value & utility of our vacation. Then on to the next PWA section. Grab gains and keep moving forward.
10-21-2022, 09:26 AM
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Move up - nope someone else has to be willing to give it up. IVDs - nope they don’t work at least 50 days of the year and now many more. I see several areas for improvement but if you call this discretionary for a 15+ year employee, ok. I don’t.
10-21-2022, 10:02 AM
#110
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Those rarely work anymore due to staffing, but if that’s your belief you are entitled to it. Slide, NOV slide 2 different attempts - nope. Bid - very funny. Move up - nope someone else has to be willing to give it up. IVDs - nope they don’t work at least 50 days of the year and now many more. I see several areas for improvement but if you call this discretionary for a 15+ year employee, ok. I don’t.
Move up - nope someone else has to be willing to give it up. IVDs - nope they don’t work at least 50 days of the year and now many more. I see several areas for improvement but if you call this discretionary for a 15+ year employee, ok. I don’t.
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