What Is Full Retro

Reply Subscribe

Page 9 of 14

« First

Last »

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

10-05-2022, 07:37 AM

#81

bugman61

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Oct 2014

Posts: 907

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

When the parties are entrenched and there is no further movement. That's why we open economic sections last, so they don't stall the process.

Do you believe that decision is made based solely on being “entrenched?” Or does it take other factors into consideration?

10-05-2022, 07:39 AM

#82

Gone Flying

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Sep 2015

Position: UNA

Posts: 4,675

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

When the parties are entrenched and there is no further movement. That's why we open economic sections last, so they don't stall the process.

there are a few examples in the regionals in the past 10 years where they have been stalled in negotiations for years and the mediator would not declare an impasse.

republic comes to mind, 7 years no impasse. Finally got a contract in 2015.

im absolutely not saying we should accept a subpar offer just because of this, but there are examples of a very clear impasse existing but mediators deciding differently.

10-05-2022, 07:41 AM

#83

notEnuf

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2015

Position: stake holder ir.delta.com

Posts: 10,523

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugman61

Do you believe that decision is made based solely on being “entrenched?” Or does it take other factors into consideration?

What are you asking? The positions are what they are. The so called "zone of reasonableness" is only the mediators opinion. We are within that zone. The recent PEB for the railroads shows the percentage gains and work rules as reasonable, especially with the current inflation.

10-05-2022, 07:45 AM

#84

Gone Flying

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Sep 2015

Position: UNA

Posts: 4,675

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

their retro was around 3%, 3.5% and 7%. For a total of roughly 14% DOS. That seems waaay lower than what most here are probably expecting. The 24% number included 2 future raises.

10-05-2022, 07:46 AM

#85

notEnuf

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2015

Position: stake holder ir.delta.com

Posts: 10,523

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

We were already been parked for 20 months, do you think that is a viable option for the mediator? Do you think that will really be favorable for Delta in the current quiet quitting culture?

10-05-2022, 07:50 AM

#86

sailingfun

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Feb 2008

Posts: 19,648

Quote:

Originally Posted by FangsF15

So what do airlines do when literally every single one of the peers (the NMB is likely to consider) are all in the exact same boat we are? Covid has realigned everyone to the same contract cycle. There simply isn't anyone to leapfrog. The closet is Alaska at upwards of 24%

That would be why I said I don’t know. I suspect that current TA’s and table positions at other airlines will come into play. In the end as mentioned the mediator can’t force us to agree to anything. He can however make the wait painful.

10-05-2022, 07:52 AM

#87

Nantonaku

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Dec 2013

Posts: 2,316

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Pilots are currently getting 50% gains at other carriers. And Delta showed they can afford huge bonus checks and large rate increases. Sailing’s “they aren’t our peers” is just to temper expectations. They are our peers and there is no reason we can’t use their massive gains as leverage. $100,000 bonus checks and 30% DOS raises are now in the zone of reasonable. Pilot expectations have only gone up since being forced to wait for so long despite the work of a few on here trying to carrier water for the company.

10-05-2022, 08:00 AM

#88

bugman61

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Oct 2014

Posts: 907

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

I’m asking exactly what I said. Do you think the board only considers if the parties are entrenched in their positions when granting a release?

10-05-2022, 08:01 AM

#89

Gone Flying

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Sep 2015

Position: UNA

Posts: 4,675

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

We were already been parked for 20 months, do you think that is a viable option for the mediator? Do you think that will really be favorable for Delta in the current quiet quitting culture?

It’s my understanding we were not parked, DALPA and Delta mutually agreed to discontinue negotiations during Covid, Not the mediator stopping negotiating for months on end because they can.

I think in the end we will reach a deal, but my point was I would not put it past a mediator to not declare an impasse when one clearly exists, simply because they have done that in the past.

10-05-2022, 08:10 AM

#90

notEnuf

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2015

Position: stake holder ir.delta.com

Posts: 10,523

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

their retro was 3%, 3.5% and 7%. For a total of roughly 14% DOS. That seems waaay lower than what most here are probably expecting. The 24% number included 2 future raises.

It is a zone. FAs got 4/4/16. I'll be generous 4/4/13 by the #2 company example. That alone gets us to 22+% for 2022.