What Is Full Retro
10-03-2022, 05:03 AM
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10-03-2022, 09:13 AM
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Right now our ask is out of line with the industry. That’s not a comment on what we deserve or should fight for, just a statement that nobody has anything close to what we are proposing. The board is not going to “reward” us with an impasse unless other carriers get close to what we are asking for, or the company makes some serious bad faith strategic mistakes.
10-03-2022, 09:29 AM
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Right now our ask is out of line with the industry. That’s not a comment on what we deserve or should fight for, just a statement that nobody has anything close to what we are proposing. The board is not going to “reward” us with an impasse unless other carriers get close to what we are asking for, or the company makes some serious bad faith strategic mistakes.
10-03-2022, 09:44 AM
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Right now our ask is out of line with the industry. That’s not a comment on what we deserve or should fight for, just a statement that nobody has anything close to what we are proposing. The board is not going to “reward” us with an impasse unless other carriers get close to what we are asking for, or the company makes some serious bad faith strategic mistakes.
10-03-2022, 10:20 AM
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Why are you being so obtuse?
25% retirement contribution, minimum balance plan, and raises that exceed inflation retroactive to 1/1/202.
Its a huge ask, and nobody else is close.
Just to clarify again, I’m not arguing that we are asking too much. Just pointing out how the NMB views it.
25% retirement contribution, minimum balance plan, and raises that exceed inflation retroactive to 1/1/202.
Its a huge ask, and nobody else is close.
Just to clarify again, I’m not arguing that we are asking too much. Just pointing out how the NMB views it.
10-03-2022, 10:23 AM
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Why are you being so obtuse?
25% retirement contribution, minimum balance plan, and raises that exceed inflation retroactive to 1/1/202.
Its a huge ask, and nobody else is close.
Just to clarify again, I’m not arguing that we are asking too much. Just pointing out how the NMB views it.
25% retirement contribution, minimum balance plan, and raises that exceed inflation retroactive to 1/1/202.
Its a huge ask, and nobody else is close.
Just to clarify again, I’m not arguing that we are asking too much. Just pointing out how the NMB views it.
10-03-2022, 10:46 AM
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Right now our ask is out of line with the industry. That’s not a comment on what we deserve or should fight for, just a statement that nobody has anything close to what we are proposing. The board is not going to “reward” us with an impasse unless other carriers get close to what we are asking for, or the company makes some serious bad faith strategic mistakes.
How do you know our position? If you do know, what is it for us humble peasants?
If you don’t have that info, you’re being disingenuous and blowing smoke on the internet.
10-03-2022, 11:01 AM
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We can argue about all of that, or you can come up with a real response to my larger point.
10-03-2022, 11:17 AM
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The info is from the opener for retirement, and recent comms from alpa on the compensation proposal. Given that the company only substantively responded to major economics last week, do you expect our table position to be lower than that?
We can argue about all of that, or you can come up with a real response to my larger point.
We can argue about all of that, or you can come up with a real response to my larger point.
10-03-2022, 12:02 PM
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The fact is, nobody knows the info because there is a gag order. Sure, I understand you are discussing realistic asks via ALPA hints but it still does not stop the fact that nobody outside the negotiating team/MEC knows the full extent of both asks. If I am wrong, I’ll admit it. This is how I understand it and what other posters were “obtuse”ly alluding to.
Let’s just assume that the table position is in line with those hints.
Jan 2020 through August 2022 inflation is 15%
assume a nominal raise request above inflation of 5%
the retirement increase is approximately 9%
That would be a 29% increase on signing.
Does anyone really think that the board will look at that and decide to grant us an impasse anytime soon?
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