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09-29-2022, 05:39 PM

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DeltaboundRedux

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Originally Posted by Mooner

Thankfully I haven’t subscribed to limiting one’s self to superficial and simplistic analysis. To each his own.

The medium is the message.

This is a forum board, not a trade magazine.

09-29-2022, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooner

Thankfully I haven’t subscribed to limiting one’s self to superficial and simplistic analysis. To each his own.

Perhaps read up on a little Frued, Do a little self analysis. Think “could I be a case study?”

09-30-2022, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooner

I am a management plant. I want the worse for myself and for you and everyone else. The question is whether you believe me. That says much really.

The alternate take is I’m telling a fib because it’s funny. I really care about my future, yours, and everyone else’s.

Either that or you ran smack dab into a light pole and you’re just concussed. I’m no rocket surgeon though.

10-01-2022, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooner

I don’t. The NC has been gaming this stuff likely since resumption of negotiations. Same with management. This is the end game. It’s naive to think either side isn’t prepared or looking for direction. Both sides are looking at United, not anybody on this forum.

Barring a TA at American or United I don’t think we are anywhere near the end game. Maybe in the Spring.

10-01-2022, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Barring a TA at American or United I don’t think we are anywhere near the end game. Maybe in the Spring.

All sections are open. The non-economic sections are closed.This is the end game, but as always feet are dragging to delay and discourage. The mediator controls the process.

10-01-2022, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

This is the end game, but as always feet are dragging to delay and discourage.

Yup. We have entered the “Henny Penny” stage of negotiations. Now all we will hear about is fuel costs, the economy is crashing, look at Europe, blah, blah, blah. It happens every negotiation.

Fear is their last sword to swing.

10-01-2022, 12:59 PM

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notEnuf

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Someone is optimistic.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/454...-balance-sheet

10-02-2022, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

All sections are open. The non-economic sections are closed.This is the end game, but as always feet are dragging to delay and discourage. The mediator controls the process.

If you measure by the number of open items then yes this is the end game. But that only really counts if there is common ground to find a deal. The respective positions of the company and alpa have no overlap. It’s going to take external pressure to close the gap one way or the other, and that’s not happening anytime soon.