What Is Full Retro
10-07-2022, 03:42 PM
#132
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Thank god we are under TA 2 and not 1 during these last 1000 days. And an “on time” contract in 2019. The company has a price they will sign. It takes time and effort to get to it. Low balling ourselves only hurts in the long run.
Im starting to think sailing wrote the slide in our QCQ that you should just get senior for more QoL.
Im starting to think sailing wrote the slide in our QCQ that you should just get senior for more QoL.
10-07-2022, 07:24 PM
#133
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In 2007 Delta’s cost per block hour for pilots was 470.00. In 2019 it was 1239.00. The 2019 cost was probably the highest pilot block hour cost at any airline world wide and did not include profit sharing which would have elevated us even higher. That’s the value of knocking out timely contracts that compound. You also have to understand the RLA and how it functions. It flat out blocks grand slams.
As to your assertion that other parts of the contract have been neglected the DC plan went from 9 to 16%. Sick leave went from 65 hours to 270. Reroute pay improved dramatically. Greenslips went from 150 to 200%. Restrictions on greenslips in months with training or vacation were removed. Reserve duty rigs were improved to match line holders. Reserve pay was increased from a flat 70 hours to a average of 76. We retained the best crew augmentation policies world wide while almost everyone else caved. We improved disability from 40 hours a month pay to 50%FAE including profit sharing and made it fully pensionable. We increased min layover times substantially. We added more reserve days off and obtained early release options. We added a average daily guarantee. We improved on duty guarantees after midnight. We added time limits for return to base on reroutes. We added a enhanced disability account. We increased vacation and training pay. Increased distributed training pay. The above is off the top of my head and probably about ⅓ of the improvements since bankruptcy. The work rule changes alone reduced our productivity 20% from 2007.
As to your assertion that other parts of the contract have been neglected the DC plan went from 9 to 16%. Sick leave went from 65 hours to 270. Reroute pay improved dramatically. Greenslips went from 150 to 200%. Restrictions on greenslips in months with training or vacation were removed. Reserve duty rigs were improved to match line holders. Reserve pay was increased from a flat 70 hours to a average of 76. We retained the best crew augmentation policies world wide while almost everyone else caved. We improved disability from 40 hours a month pay to 50%FAE including profit sharing and made it fully pensionable. We increased min layover times substantially. We added more reserve days off and obtained early release options. We added a average daily guarantee. We improved on duty guarantees after midnight. We added time limits for return to base on reroutes. We added a enhanced disability account. We increased vacation and training pay. Increased distributed training pay. The above is off the top of my head and probably about ⅓ of the improvements since bankruptcy. The work rule changes alone reduced our productivity 20% from 2007.
10-08-2022, 03:56 AM
#134
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I pride myself on earning efficiency. I still have to go to work, usually less than a regular line holder for ALV or better. When I do work it’s usually domestic 4 and 5 days. These trips are very exhausting because of the circadian swaps and 12+ hour days. The longest layover I had over the summer was 15:42 and it was an early release with a 2:40 body time wake up. If you think I am lying, take a look at the ALPA monthly FRMT emails. Someone has to fly the trips. Reserves tend to get the best and the worst. High credit easy and the trash that nobody wants. The trash is just as fatiguing for a reserve and I’d say worse because you can’t prepare for it.
10-08-2022, 04:01 AM
#135
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You know we also got an additional year of raises too. We didn’t stagnate, we got full retro and another year of your “small ball” singles.
10-08-2022, 04:39 AM
#136
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Absolutely true ................................................ but, a deal 14 months past the amendable date is in no way a given and probably still a long shot especially in boom times. Secondly, just supposing we were head and shoulders above the industry when the "Rona" hit (think post 9-11) there would have been tremendous pressure on management to get us in line with our peers. We all know what that looks like.
I doubt we would have sailed through the Covid times carefree and footloose, reaping the benefits of a freshly inked deal.
Not saying your scenario might not have played out, but its a little more complicated than if we agreed to TA-1 we would have been off through Covid.
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10-08-2022, 05:32 AM
#137
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They certainly should have considered the upcoming scheduled pandemic prior to signing off on TA1 knowing full well it would cause a delay.
10-08-2022, 05:40 AM
#138
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Absolutely true ................................................ but, a deal 14 months past the amendable date is in no way a given and probably still a long shot especially in boom times. Secondly, just supposing we were head and shoulders above the industry when the "Rona" hit (think post 9-11) there would have been tremendous pressure on management to get us in line with our peers. We all know what that looks like.
I doubt we would have sailed through the Covid times carefree and footloose, reaping the benefits of a freshly inked deal.
Not saying your scenario might not have played out, but its a little more complicated than if we agreed to TA-1 we would have been off through Covid.
Scoop
I doubt we would have sailed through the Covid times carefree and footloose, reaping the benefits of a freshly inked deal.
Not saying your scenario might not have played out, but its a little more complicated than if we agreed to TA-1 we would have been off through Covid.
Scoop
As I mentioned I voted against TA1 and without the benefit of hindsight would do so again. Even with hindsight it would be a tough call as front loading money is generally a smart move.
10-08-2022, 05:50 AM
#139
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