What Is Full Retro
10-06-2022, 08:00 AM
#111
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Fair enough, that was my point all along, that there are contextual factors which play into the decision by the nmb (which I assume you meant vs nlrb) to release.
Frankly nobody on here knows exactly where the zone is. I trust our MEC and negotiators to have a grasp of that information and make the appropriate strategic decisions based on the polling data to get us an appropriate deal at the appropriate time.
Frankly nobody on here knows exactly where the zone is. I trust our MEC and negotiators to have a grasp of that information and make the appropriate strategic decisions based on the polling data to get us an appropriate deal at the appropriate time.
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10-06-2022, 08:55 AM
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I sure hope the negotiators are smart enough to not compare us to the flight attendants. Company to mediator; “We are more than happy to match the flight attendant raises and will even call the boarding pay 16% however we want to align the pilots sick leave, work rules and retirement with the flight attendants!”
Buzz and Randy and Moak would be so proud of you.
10-06-2022, 12:15 PM
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10-06-2022, 12:20 PM
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We would be working for half if they had their way.
Sailing do you think any of us forgot your TA1? You just want zero ownership.
You guys would have set us back a decade.
10-06-2022, 01:51 PM
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You keep saying my TA1. That’s a bit strange considering I did not advocate for it and voted against it. I have asked you repeatedly to tell us why we did not achieve the home run, on time contract you assured us we were going to get with our new tough MEC. You said the company had to have the TA and we had lots of leverage. Please tell us what happened. How did we fail with all that leverage and a MEC that was going to deliver?
10-07-2022, 05:32 AM
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In 2007 Delta’s cost per block hour for pilots was 470.00. In 2019 it was 1239.00. The 2019 cost was probably the highest pilot block hour cost at any airline world wide and did not include profit sharing which would have elevated us even higher. That’s the value of knocking out timely contracts that compound. You also have to understand the RLA and how it functions. It flat out blocks grand slams.
As to your assertion that other parts of the contract have been neglected the DC plan went from 9 to 16%. Sick leave went from 65 hours to 270. Reroute pay improved dramatically. Greenslips went from 150 to 200%. Restrictions on greenslips in months with training or vacation were removed. Reserve duty rigs were improved to match line holders. Reserve pay was increased from a flat 70 hours to a average of 76. We retained the best crew augmentation policies world wide while almost everyone else caved. We improved disability from 40 hours a month pay to 50%FAE including profit sharing and made it fully pensionable. We increased min layover times substantially. We added more reserve days off and obtained early release options. We added a average daily guarantee. We improved on duty guarantees after midnight. We added time limits for return to base on reroutes. We added a enhanced disability account. We increased vacation and training pay. Increased distributed training pay. The above is off the top of my head and probably about ⅓ of the improvements since bankruptcy. The work rule changes alone reduced our productivity 20% from 2007.
10-07-2022, 07:44 AM
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Well those are the dates the group everyone states accomplished nothing we’re at work. As I mentioned when we finally sign a TA it will be a shell of what our opener was in 2019. Probably what we could have had on time in 2019. Let’s be real, we lost a contract cycle and the loss over a career with anyone with significant years to go will be huge. When our conceptual opener was published in the Spring of 2019 I stated it would never lead to a contract. I was roundly told I was wrong and the company had to have a contract and needed it on time.
10-07-2022, 08:40 AM
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Well those are the dates the group everyone states accomplished nothing we’re at work. As I mentioned when we finally sign a TA it will be a shell of what our opener was in 2019. Probably what we could have had on time in 2019. Let’s be real, we lost a contract cycle and the loss over a career with anyone with significant years to go will be huge. When our conceptual opener was published in the Spring of 2019 I stated it would never lead to a contract. I was roundly told I was wrong and the company had to have a contract and needed it on time.
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