TED74

Lucky for us, there’s a good chance the mediator buys groceries, airline tickets, gas, cars, electricity and maybe even tuition/books/fees.

Tailhookah

TA1/2015…. Company was trying to low ball us and in addition get rid of profit sharing. They knew the next few years and beyond that profit sharing was going to be enormous. They only tried to deal that away because they knew what was being projected in the future. If they thought they’d be breaking even for the next cycle after that turd was signed, they wouldn’t have come after it. Just like now…. The projections are for enormous profits very soon. They think we make too much now and throw in our profit sharing on top and it literally ticks off the executives. They think we make too much. We have to take this contract from them by using our only leverage we have. Strike. Forward looking statements are enormous and also continually are being updated higher. They don’t want to pay us. It’s that simple. They spray us w/ false rhetoric while laughing behind our backs. Restoration of our profession now or forever be whimps.

b73nav8r

This!


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notEnuf

Again you tack to company arguments. The pay increase goes to affordability and a precedent for timely raises Delta is willing to grant for flight crews without concession. Flight crew pay is very different and this distinction for preflight changes the historic norm. Go ahead and exclude all but company arguments, your position is well known.

notEnuf

All we are disagreeing on is how big the "zone" is. If we are in the zone (which I believe we are) the lack of progress at the table indicates release sooner rather than later. The decision is entirely up to the NLRB but a few sessions with no progress forces the decision to release or park. And I have no problem with either.

Nantonaku

The more you read his stuff the more ridiculous it comes. I still have a hard time believing it is a real Delta pilot. Has he taken one pro-labor argument? I can't remember one.

Iceberg

That’s not the same thing at all. They had those work rules prior to their raises. They then got their raises without a reduction in other rules.

sailingfun

They lost the same retirement plan we had pre bankruptcy as well as sick leave and never got close to getting what we have post bankruptcy. Comparing us to flight attendants is simply not smart and would come back to haunt us. Our flight attendants are very efficient and over all costs relative to their peers are much lower than our costs. Why do you think the company fights unionization so much?

Iceberg

The weird part is that the company could give a cumulative 22+% raise to other employee groups without reducing other benefits yet we are being asked for concessions and you don’t see that as a factor in the reasonableness of our ask.

bugman61

Fair enough, that was my point all along, that there are contextual factors which play into the decision by the nmb (which I assume you meant vs nlrb) to release.

Frankly nobody on here knows exactly where the zone is. I trust our MEC and negotiators to have a grasp of that information and make the appropriate strategic decisions based on the polling data to get us an appropriate deal at the appropriate time.