Gone Flying

By their I meant the railroad workers. from what I read their proposal it was very underwhelming, and not at all what I was expecting.

It will be interesting if we are able to secure some kind of pre/post flight pay in light of their boarding pay.

notEnuf

That is the definition of an impasse. 21 of 28 sections are complete so yes.

FangsF15

Ok, so sorry... its 23.2%. And I said "upwards of". FO"s average a 20+% raise. And while you are technically correct the top scale CA only gets 14.9% at 11 and up, all Captains up to 8 years gain over 20%. They spread their dollars to flatten the slope of their curve.

Besides, the point is that if we are going to look at percentages, Alaska is, on balance, well into the 20's percentage in the vast majority of their pay table.

notEnuf

How Delta justifies the raise is entirely up to them. They gave an effective raise of up to 16% this year with no additional give. If you want to call the 5 additional minutes early to board then fine that's a give. I'll show up at 5 earlier to my flights. Assuming there's an airplane to show up to.

bugman61

I’m sure you won’t believe me, but it’s far more complicated than that.

Theoden9

Since the CPI version of inflation is problematic, I wonder if RASM change could also be used as an inflation measure, and then in the contract tie wage inflation pegs to the greater of the two. I’d like to have some kind of inflation hedge in our contract but I’m sure that’s just a pipe dream.

notEnuf

Do enlighten us. I have been through the process.

The rhetoric around the process is always full of hyperbole but please tell me how you think this works. There is always people willing to suggest greater complexity that the average pilot is either not privy to, or can not comprehend. It really is that simple but I'm also willing to listen to your explanation. I expect the explanation includes the word parking. With that avenue there will be ugliness as there always is. I welcome being parked rather than the false narrative of retro disappearing and time value of money. This needs to be a seismic shift in our PWA. If parking is part of the eventual process it needs to get underway, similar to the requirement for mediation. Given our history I expect lawsuits and hostages before we get a deal as things deteriorate due to being parked. This will only galvanize the pilot group.

OOfff

i’m not sure we should consider the percentages across the pay table equally, especially since the majority of us are currently at (or close to) and all of us will spend most of our careers at the top of scale.

sailingfun

I sure hope the negotiators are smart enough to not compare us to the flight attendants. Company to mediator; “We are more than happy to match the flight attendant raises and will even call the boarding pay 16% however we want to align the pilots sick leave, work rules and retirement with the flight attendants!”

bugman61

Cool. Me too.

The board will use all of the tools at their disposal to force the parties to get to a reasonable deal. The further your table position is from what they deem reasonable, the harder it will be to get a release. It’s not as simple as just refusing to agree until they give up.

If our table position was a 50% raise DOS, the timeline and process to get a release would be much longer than if it was 20%. Similarly if the company was insisting on significant concessions it would be easier for us to get a release if that’s what we wanted.

I agree with you here, at least to the extent that we must do what it takes to get a significant shift in our pwa this cycle. It won’t be easy, but now is the time.