tcco94

I genuinely don’t know but are order deliveries based on who bought at what time? Or is that negotiable for the right prices. I’m sure the slots are filling up post 2024+ but I imagine not all hope is lost yet on that. Seems like US carriers placing orders can start getting deliveries within a year. We really need to be looking at the 2025 and beyond years, not so much next 2 years.

PilotBases

I think it’s a bit of everything. It’s not like Airline A orders 20, they get the next 20 in line. I would imagine manufacturers leave some slush in the schedules so they can offer new customers ability to order something sooner than say 2029. I don’t think we need WBs until 2025 and onwards, based on current book, so not an immediate issue. I’d venture 339 is available soonest though.

iaflyer

Correct. I have a feeling that 339 are going to be ordered - they really fit Delta's niche: we already have someone, no one else likes the plane, and there are probably plenty of slots of us to fit in. Also, If we need widebodies from 2025 on, it's getting time to order them. Typically 2-3 years ahead of time is when company seems when companies order planes.

Mesabah

We probably only need some A350-1000s for 2025, and then something for the 2030s, and beyond to replace the 767s. i.e. convert the current A350 orders to 1000s, and order addition 339neos.

PilotBases

Or keep the 359s, order -1000s, and 339s

Replace those 763s with widebody paying jets, watch WB A plummet.

Tinpusher007

Im not sure there are that many airlines begging for a 767 replacement as most stopped flying them many years ago. Delta is somewhat unique in liking to fly airplanes for 30+ years. Many other airlines have long since up-gauged from 767 sized airplanes to A330 or 777 sized. With all the high demand for intl travel that we are seeing, I dont know why we are so dead set on an exact one-for-one replacement of the 767 anyway. As markets continue to grow, a 767 sized airplane might become obsolete fairly quickly. Look at the 787-8; AA has decided to make it their 767 replacement but almost no one else is ordering it. The same was true of the 767-200; the bigger -300ER became the best selling type. The -400ER came to market too late; the same can be said of the A338/9. We cant wait for the 797. Our best bet is to probably reduce the density of our A330s since we have so many and put more premium seating them. The 787-10 would probably do well for us as a high capacity, superior CASM machine for routes where we dont need the muscle of an A350-1000/777-300ER type of aircraft.

firstmob

What is the possibility of a split order ie A350-1000 & B789s or B777x & A338s?

Tinpusher007

Of these two scenarios, Id say A350-1000 and 787-9s. I think us having A359s makes the 789 redundant. If we ever get 787s, I think the -10 would be most likely. Delta clearly doesnt go for large orders of the most performance capable aircraft, but they do like ones with good CASM, which is why they like the A330 so much. The A339 and 787-10 similar range, but the -10 has more pax capacity, payload and is a clean sheet design. I dont see us ordering the 777X after deciding to sunset the fleet we already had; plus it's probably too much airplane. The A350-1000 makes more sense to provide more capacity and performance. The A338 seems to be a turd with poor economics so I dont see us getting it either, but these are just my opinions. Im just as curious how this order will ultimately turn out. But the company has maintained that we will be all Airbus for wide bodies.

blue vortex

No possibility unless there’s a tremendous shake up in management here at Delta for some unforeseen reason. Delta can get 339’s at a great price and possibly some 350-1000. There’s just not gonna be 787’s or triple sevens here.

International yields are very weak, and probably will be for the foreseeable future with all the foreign competition. We just don’t need a lot more white bodies beyond what’s already on order.

myrkridia

We're now saying the quiet part out loud! Sorry I couldn't help myself...