A350-1000 and other Fleet News
05-08-2023, 12:49 PM
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05-08-2023, 01:15 PM
#613
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Me as well. I wouldn’t sneeze at used 350 examples but I can assume we’ve kicked the tires on those left and decided it isn’t worth it. Any WB growth is good, especially as the 330 or 787 pays the same as a 350, so replacing the 763 with them yields a big boost in “top paying” aircraft. We replace 45 763s with a similar number of 330/787s and WB A drops like it’s hot.
05-08-2023, 05:44 PM
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I could see us retrofitting the 200/300’s with 4 class cabins…lower seats count closer to 76, but more premium seats…then replace that lift with more 900NEO’s
05-10-2023, 02:32 AM
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In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
05-10-2023, 04:20 AM
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The A330-800 has sold something like 6 aircraft. Sales on the 900 have been weak. Keep in mind the A330 is based off an almost 40 year old airframe. The -800 version is not an efficient aircraft. No airframe manufacturer has stepped up and filled a void many airlines have been begging to purchase. Boeings decision to kill the 767 replacement might end up killing Boeing. Everyone wants a modern efficient twin aisle 220 to 250 seat airframe with a 6000 mile range. No one wants to build it. United even asked Boeing to reopen the 767 line since they are were still building freighters and they refused.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
05-10-2023, 04:38 AM
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The A330-800 has sold something like 6 aircraft. Sales on the 900 have been weak. Keep in mind the A330 is based off an almost 40 year old airframe. The -800 version is not an efficient aircraft. No airframe manufacturer has stepped up and filled a void many airlines have been begging to purchase. Boeings decision to kill the 767 replacement might end up killing Boeing. Everyone wants a modern efficient twin aisle 220 to 250 seat airframe with a 6000 mile range. No one wants to build it. United even asked Boeing to reopen the 767 line since they are were still building freighters and they refused.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
I'm no engine expert but it seems like an ideal (maybe/probably unrealistic?) strategy at this point would be to take the -800, shave some more weight, further derate the Trent 7000s and certify a -700 variant with a lighter MTOW and maybe even a few feet shorter?
05-10-2023, 04:44 AM
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Solid post and you make some great points, but kinda silly to 'keep in mind' the original design launch date; the A320 turns 40 next year, after all. The 330-800 would be more popular if the -900 wasn't such a good deal (minor increase in CASM as you mentioned), and the 330neo family would be selling on-par with the 787 if the latter hadn't had a 10-year headstart.
I'm no engine expert but it seems like an ideal (maybe/probably unrealistic?) strategy at this point would be to take the -800, shave some more weight, further derate the Trent 7000s and certify a -700 variant with a lighter MTOW and maybe even a few feet shorter?
I'm no engine expert but it seems like an ideal (maybe/probably unrealistic?) strategy at this point would be to take the -800, shave some more weight, further derate the Trent 7000s and certify a -700 variant with a lighter MTOW and maybe even a few feet shorter?
05-10-2023, 06:26 AM
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The A330-800 has sold something like 6 aircraft. Sales on the 900 have been weak. Keep in mind the A330 is based off an almost 40 year old airframe. The -800 version is not an efficient aircraft. No airframe manufacturer has stepped up and filled a void many airlines have been begging to purchase. Boeings decision to kill the 767 replacement might end up killing Boeing. Everyone wants a modern efficient twin aisle 220 to 250 seat airframe with a 6000 mile range. No one wants to build it. United even asked Boeing to reopen the 767 line since they are were still building freighters and they refused.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
In Delta’s case the cost to purchase and operate the A330-900 is just marginally higher than the 800. Better to fly a 900 with empty seats than buy 800’s.
05-10-2023, 06:35 AM
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