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03-04-2023, 06:02 AM

#441

BigHitterLlama

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Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

So the numbers are wrong. I was wondering where the example was given and if it was accurate prior to voting because I didn't see this example or any example. I see now my assumption of 3 crew and 12 months was wrong.

Edit: As the idiot who complained about a good result initially I am appalled at your mistake.

03-04-2023, 06:02 AM

#442

Hillbilly

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Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Where did these numbers come from?

5000/16=312.5. Each block hour requires 3 crew members so each pilot position was valued at 312.5x3? So how many WB pilots block 937.5 per year?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugman61

Something must be lost in translation for his example, as global scope values block hours at 53 per month, per crew (4 pilots).

A 5000 block hour shortage over a year would result in 32 pilot jobs (5000 / 12 / 53, round up, multiply by 4).

Part of the problem is using 16 months as a divisor vs the measurement period of 24 months.
Then using 3 crew members instead of 4.

It's 53 block hours per month per widebody pilot (not crew).

Planetrain's post lays it out nicely.

04-07-2023, 03:47 PM

#443

D0zingfordollar

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Any new lately on aircraft orders? With new Global Scope and brass being quoted as wanting DL to be 50/50 domestic to international it seems as though a huge wide body order would have to be coming down the line. Have only heard of discontinuation of seasonal routes.

04-07-2023, 04:40 PM

#444

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Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar

Can’t staff the flying that we currently have. I think they’re busy trying to put out the fire in front of them and they’re not looking too far forward.

04-07-2023, 07:14 PM

#445

LumberJack

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Last time GH was asked about the 35K, the look on his face told me something didn't go their way with the planned order.

04-08-2023, 03:28 AM

#446

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Last time GH was asked about the 35K, the look on his face told me something didn't go their way with the planned order.

Well, it didn't. Delta wanted the Qatar 35Ks and Airbus worked out a settlement with Qatar to take deliveries of those aircraft.

04-08-2023, 04:20 AM

#447

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DELTAFO

Well, it didn't. Delta wanted the Qatar 35Ks and Airbus worked out a settlement with Qatar to take deliveries of those aircraft.

And....in the process, showed our hand/interest in acquiring them so I am sure any sweetheart pricing deal evaporated with the Qatar settlement and the subsequent acquisition cost of the -1000s became a bit too rich for the board's blood.

04-08-2023, 04:51 AM

#448

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar

Not sure where the 50/50 quote came from but everything I've seen has been revenue based. They want to drive the revenue premium up to ~15%, the same as domestic, and drive the total revenue more into balance 40/60 was stated a while ago.