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Old 10-16-2024, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Drama
what was the flight time? I’ve had SEA-OGG at a place bed 6:15 without issue. Several SEA-LIHs just as long.
Not sure if I can still retrieve the flight time off the release, but I remember the block due to luck 7:11. And that was min taxi time in both locations.
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Old 10-16-2024, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Not sure if I can still retrieve the flight time off the release, but I remember the block due to luck 7:11. And that was min taxi time in both locations.
Sounds like rookie dispatch stuff trying to take the long way around winter time TPs. 7:11 is 300 ish knots ground speed the entire flight.
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Old 10-16-2024, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Drama
Sounds like rookie dispatch stuff trying to take the long way around winter time TPs
Seemed pretty direct to me, though I’ll admit it was a few months back. Maybe OCC can give you more info when you lecture them about their 757 fandom. SEA-KOA the next day dispatched with a fuel
stop in SFO so must have been two days in a row of rookie mistakes.
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Seemed pretty direct to me, though I’ll admit it was a few months back. Maybe OCC can give you more info when you lecture them about their 757 fandom. SEA-KOA the next day dispatched with a fuel
stop in SFO so must have been two days in a row of rookie mistakes.
Ha! Okay. I’ll be surprised if we ever see the 757 on Hawai’i again after these couple months this winter. All of the westcoast Airbus Lead LCAs that I talked to couldn’t answer why the change for the couple of months. We all figured it was more of a we need to get more pacific and Hawaii quals knocked out with the ER going back to Japan from HNL type thing. Especially with all the junioriffic Captains and only one ER base west of the Mississippi. But the company wouldn’t admit that they maybe made a mistake closing west coast ER bases too quickly now would they… 😳. Especially after they said there would be no more ERs flying over the Pacific after 2020/2021… 🤷‍♂️and then they start sending it to Tahiti and back to Japan 🤦‍♂️

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I heard from a van driver that the ER doing Hawaii this winter is to facilitate the engine inspections that the NEOs need.

Actually it was from an LCA.

7:11 is pretty insane block time, min taxi translates to around 6:55 flight time. That's some seriously low groundspeed.
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
I heard from a van driver that the ER doing Hawaii this winter is to facilitate the engine inspections that the NEOs need.

Actually it was from an LCA.

7:11 is pretty insane block time, min taxi translates to around 6:55 flight time. That's some seriously low groundspeed.
Obviously 7 plus is a big time outlier.

A flight time of 6:30 plus is probably a rarity considering both AS and DL have their winter block times for SEA-KOA scheduled in the 6:24 to 6:32 range, up from about 6-6:10 in the summer.

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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Seriously Clark?? From the September LA base visit:

“Why are the Hawaii flights going back to the 757?”

”We had so much difficulty with the winds last year that PE(Engineering) and the OCC requested that we shift back to the 757….”

I personally had a flight where we kicked 40 revenue pax off a Kona flight due to high headwinds. And that was January 2024 not 2023. Super glad you had no issues though.

Why don’t you go tell engineering and OCC about their fandom.
We did it just fine on the 9ER at a previous carrier. Very rare to have a tech stop. The MAX’s required them early on due to fuel burn tracking for each tail but once that was nailed down zero issues going to the islands. The NEO from my experience handles it just fine. From many I’ve talked to including LCA’s who almost purely do Hawai’i year round the wind excuse just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
We did it just fine on the 9ER at a previous carrier. Very rare to have a tech stop. The MAX’s required them early on due to fuel burn tracking for each tail but once that was nailed down zero issues going to the islands. The NEO from my experience handles it just fine. From many I’ve talked to including LCA’s who almost purely do Hawai’i year round the wind excuse just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Don’t shoot the messenger man, but that was the official company line per the LAX base visit. I’d rather they stay on the NEO since I’m a bus driver now. I’d imagine OCC and engineering have a bit more of a deep dive into it than LCAs though (no offense as I’ve been an LCA).

They also alluded to it being temporary so I imagine Johnny is right and it’ll be rather short lived.

The 9ER is a whole different issue. We tried that and….. it didn’t go fantastic.
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Don’t shoot the messenger man, but that was the official company line per the LAX base visit. I’d rather they stay on the NEO since I’m a bus driver now. I’d imagine OCC and engineering have a bit more of a deep dive into it than LCAs though (no offense as I’ve been an LCA).

They also alluded to it being temporary so I imagine Johnny is right and it’ll be rather short lived.

The 9ER is a whole different issue. We tried that and….. it didn’t go fantastic.
Heard other airlines have Neos with two aux tanks (AA?) for Hawaii stuff. That would help us. XLR might not be bad… use them to Europe in the summer and send them to Hawaii in the winter. 15-20 tails.
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