PilotBases

Its that I can't do math in the morning :/
Was looking at the Annual report and lost 10 planes while switching tabs. Thanks for the correction.

For comparison, we are -18 777 and -15 763, and +20 359 and +26 339.

On order still-

A339: 9
A359: 11
A351: 20

"widebody options": 20

For funsies, we are also +64 321neo paying at ER rate while down -21 75/76ERs as best as I can tell.

Jonny Drama

Fine work sir!

PilotBases

Thanks, happy to pull the data. I know we lag Big U by quite a bit for WB, but our stocks aren't all too bad all things considered. We've done a good job growing paychecks through banding and higher rates. Next thing for me is that the Max10 gets ER rate too. I'd really like to see the 321ceo bump up further but I think it's unlikely. Also lost in the numbers is that we brought the 319/320 fleet up to 738 rate. Every dollar we get matters, and IMO C19 did a lot to put more dollars in pockets than originally realized.

As I've said for a while, number of widebodies matter, but number of them paying the top rate really does too. The 763 replacement will help get more to the top.

Gunfighter

Does anyone have a breakdown of 12+ hour crew requirements by airline? Our dual crew requirement on 12+ hour trips creates WBA positions that would be WBB at other carriers using 1+3 staffing.

tennisguru

Sure glad we banded the 717 up to the…oh…wait…

Jonny Drama

I am glad that I ended up at Delta. I always envisioned myself ending up at American (thankful that didn’t happen). And EVERY UA pilot that I had on the jumpseat in the 2010-2014 timeframe was very adamant about “don’t come here!” I am sure there were pilots here saying the same, but over there it seemed more the norm than the exception.

Delta has done a great job of slow opportunistic growth the past 10-12 years. Crazy to think we were down to 11,500 pilots at the end of 2013.

As a 320 guy myself, and not planning on making a move anytime soon. The NEO rate and the 319/320 bump have been very nice.

PilotBases

Agree with all this. Bonus is the Neo has greatly improved the Bus bid packs. A lot more 1 leg days, 2-3 day trips that are breathable. Transcons, island flying (both west and south). It's gone from being an ATL hub hopper and east coast Florida jet to a nicely rounded bid pack. Still have 90+ coming including 21 with the transcon config, plus NBA planes. More variety and growth coming.

We don't so the big splashy announcements and proclamations, but have seen steady growth as you say, and more coming bit by bit.

CowBoyz47

Went thru the UA training department in 2023’ from a regional, now at DL later in 23’.

Very happy with my decision as DL was the goal, but when I did when I consider staying I had about 3 SLI’s to tell me make the jump to DL if they were in my shoes, plus my LCP. That over the course of their 30+ yr careers their delta buddies have gone thru less volatility & were happier group overall. I’m sure it didn’t help tho that 23’ was pre-UPA23 so picketing was going on & general unhappiness which def made their opinions biased to a degree.
One thing I’ve noticed going thru both is UA really touted their UA Next growth plans thru Indoc as they seem to love flashy displays of plans & growth which is fun to hear, but the TK ppl didnt seem to put much faith in it.
DL on other hand seems to be much more conservative and sly with their growth plans for sure, pros and cons.
I do believe, DL’s growth plans are much more ambitious than any of know, especially in the intl. arena, time will tell.

iahflyr

I can’t think of a single airline, cargo line, cruise line, shipping company, or any company period that requires a Captain where there are two captains on board. That is very unique to Delta Air Lines.

Buck Rogers

United requires 2 captains on their FRMS flights.