Hotel Kilo

Said some CEO, at sometime, in the past. My Man Big E.

OOfff

the savings are close to 10k lbs on a transcon vs a 757.

“small savings from fuel”


the 757 is a wonderful airplane. it’s also economically undesirable for most of the operation. carrying around the capability for the 5% edge case loses you a lot of money on the fat 95% middle case.

Hotel Kilo

[QUOTE=OOfff;3837753]Not even close. the margins are much closer than that. The 75 just doesn't "carry around" the capability - it's actually using it. Very uninformed post

OOfff

this must be why airlines stopped demanding it

2StgTurbine

The 757 is an awesome narrow body... As long as you don't care about money. It was conceived by engineers who grew up in a time of regulated airlines and cheap oil. "Put some big engines and 8 brakes on this bad boy." There are very few times those big engines, brakes, and flaps actually benefit an airline. They would rather have a runway hog that has to deviate around af ew extra T-storms a year, but sips fuel.

There are edge cases where the 757 kicks butt. But does the RDU-SNA flight really justify the cost?

PilotBases

Glad we've got the 757 using its capabilities on stuff like ATL-RIC/ORF/MCO. It's the new Mad Dog, doing the short hops and burning dinos.

Funny, when you go to MCO, it's the 757s going to ATL and the Neos going to SLC and SEA.

Repeat it after me "the 757 is not a personality type". A whopping 1,050 were produced, the A220 has almost outsold it. The A321neo has outsold it 6x, and already delivered 500 more. The market has spoken. I'm glad we're moving to the Neo and Max (sigh) for the sake of our fuel bills. Bring on efficiency.

GliderCFI

100% get it. The neo and the max both replace the 757 cleanly 85% of the time, and save a ton of gas in the process. Passengers prefer the bus too, and it's not even close.

BUT. My suspicion is the argument you'll find is not a logical or monetary one, but the emotional one. The 757 is the last stand of the pilot here, as the fun flying, Swiss army knife, always capable, performance monster that requires actual skills to hand fly it. Everyone on the thing knows their destiny, and it's sitting in front of a tray table collecting a paycheck, with complete apathy towards the machine itself. I've flown both. And the DC9 series. The 717 is the last of its kind in a way, as well. But for the 757 guys, I suspect they're arguing against the inevitable onset of efficiency over performance, boring over sporty, cost efficient over capable.

I love the 757, and I'll miss it. But at the end of the day, it's a business, and it's a job.

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170Till5

797 should be out by 2035… as long as Boeing can get out of their own way

OOfff

boeing can’t put a wing tip on an existing airframe in 12 years of development. the idea that we will have a clean sheet 797 in less time than that is pretty dubious.

2StgTurbine

Yep. I would out my money on Embraer to come up with a new narrow-body before Boeing. It takes 10 years to produce a new plane these days. And Boeing is about 10 years away from even thinking about a new plane.