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Old 03-14-2024, 01:55 PM
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I guess I'm being a negative Nancy here but how do you make the cabin wider without changing the exterior of the fuselage? Answer - you remove stuff that was engineered to be there for a reason. Intermediate flap setting to increase takeoff performance on the 900s? How about fixing the ridiculous performance penalty assosciated with any tailwinds or crosswinds greater than 20 KTS.

This just strikes me as very similar to how Boeing keep stretching the 737 until things went horribly wrong. Like I said, I am being a bit negative here - perhaps someone else has a more optimistic take on all of this.

Seems like in times past Boeing and Airbus would design a more capable aircraft. Now partly due to financial pressure they just keep modifying existing models until negative consequences arise. Sort of like a "Peter Principal" for aircraft.

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Old 03-15-2024, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I guess I'm being a negative Nancy here but how do you make the cabin wider without changing the exterior of the fuselage? Answer - you remove stuff that was engineered to be there for a reason. Intermediate flap setting to increase takeoff performance on the 900s? How about fixing the ridiculous performance penalty assosciated with any tailwinds or crosswinds greater than 20 KTS.

This just strikes me as very similar to how Boeing keep stretching the 737 until things went horribly wrong. Like I said, I am being a bit negative here - perhaps someone else has a more optimistic take on all of this.

Seems like in times past Boeing and Airbus would design a more capable aircraft. Now partly due to financial pressure they just keep modifying existing models until negative consequences arise. Sort of like a "Peter Principal" for aircraft.

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When the 900's hit the line they said software changes would fix the takeoff issues in 6 months. Are you saying that didn't happen?
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Old 03-15-2024, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I guess I'm being a negative Nancy here but how do you make the cabin wider without changing the exterior of the fuselage? Answer - you remove stuff that was engineered to be there for a reason. Intermediate flap setting to increase takeoff performance on the 900s? How about fixing the ridiculous performance penalty assosciated with any tailwinds or crosswinds greater than 20 KTS.

This just strikes me as very similar to how Boeing keep stretching the 737 until things went horribly wrong. Like I said, I am being a bit negative here - perhaps someone else has a more optimistic take on all of this.

Seems like in times past Boeing and Airbus would design a more capable aircraft. Now partly due to financial pressure they just keep modifying existing models until negative consequences arise. Sort of like a "Peter Principal" for aircraft.

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Its not really a thinner cabin, it's sculpted sidewalls at passenger level. Not super unusual and more marketing speak than anything. I remember Bombardier did something similar with the CRJ NG.

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Old 03-15-2024, 08:57 AM
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They are talking 16" chairs, I had a 16" porch chair that used to get up with me. I can't imagine extended time in such a chair.
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Old 03-15-2024, 09:06 AM
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They are talking 16" chairs, I had a 16" porch chair that used to get up with me. I can't imagine extended time in such a chair.
Thankfully we've stick with 3-3-3 in eco, while the competition does 3-4-3 on the 777.
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Old 03-15-2024, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
When the 900's hit the line they said software changes would fix the takeoff issues in 6 months. Are you saying that didn't happen?

Yes - it did not happen. We still have the dreaded X-30.

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Old 03-16-2024, 02:34 AM
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I can’t help it if you’re a ****ty pilot and can’t do your job. I’ll give you one great reason to single engine taxi - millions of gallons of fuel. If you know what you’re doing (I’m thinking half the pilots on here don’t) SET is perfectly safe and I always give the FO plenty of time to start 2. No reason not to routinely do it unless you have a short taxi.
every single sing you said is wrong. Wow.
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Old 03-16-2024, 07:44 AM
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every single sing you said is wrong. Wow.
Why don’t you break it down for me my man?? Explain how everything I said is wrong? And I wasn’t singing - just usual normal conversational tone.
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Old 03-16-2024, 08:23 AM
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How did the thread about the airplane that never does SET (outbound) become such a dumpster fire about SET?
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Old 03-16-2024, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown
every single sing you said is wrong. Wow.
amazing every word of what you just said was wrong (youtube.com)
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