A350-1000 and other Fleet News
03-11-2024, 04:37 PM
#2761
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Well we had an AA 777 cross a runway with one of our jets taking off because the FO in the right seat was starting the 2nd engine, (albeit pretty easy on a 777, but you never flew it so you wouldn't know) and the relief on their cell phone.
We had a jet blue clip a united jet. We had another jet blue clip another jet blue on the J pad in BOS... I mean c'mon ooofff. It's out there and you know it
Just say no to SET unless you've got a very very very good reason. As such mentioned in this thread.
We had a jet blue clip a united jet. We had another jet blue clip another jet blue on the J pad in BOS... I mean c'mon ooofff. It's out there and you know it
Just say no to SET unless you've got a very very very good reason. As such mentioned in this thread.
03-11-2024, 05:18 PM
#2763
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I think he means Riddle and then Skywest. Both places seem to breed arrogance and inflated egos and a propensity to lap up the koolaid. And the two places just compound on top of each other to produce a specific type who thinks they're the best of the best..and then they get hired at Delta early and it gets even worse!
03-11-2024, 05:56 PM
#2764
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I think he means Riddle and then Skywest. Both places seem to breed arrogance and inflated egos and a propensity to lap up the koolaid. And the two places just compound on top of each other to produce a specific type who thinks they're the best of the best..and then they get hired at Delta early and it gets even worse!
03-11-2024, 07:00 PM
#2766
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,614
Management pretends there is no financial risk associated with SET. IMHO, the SET risk:reward is asymmetric. We are booking a small monetary savings that will be eclipsed by the cost of a future major incident.
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03-11-2024, 08:17 PM
#2767
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The above is a little dramatic. Cmon.
We used to do it all the time in the MD88 5 legs a day, with and without new hires; a plane way harder to start than a 737 or 321.
The biggest threat was having your hand slip off the starter when going over a bump and reminding yourself not to prematurely reengage the starter until the N2 wound down so you didn’t shear the ATS.
SET from LAX T3 to 24L is not the right time to SET, but to blanket the whole thing as a huge risk is a little over the top.
03-11-2024, 08:25 PM
#2768
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,149
I'm with you. SET isn't that big of a deal, especially since the Maddog left the fleet (where the FO was actually having to use two hands to start an engine). Do we have an airplane in our fleet now that requires two hands to start an engine? Other than 717s trying for a single engine takeoff, it just doesn't seem to be an issue.
03-11-2024, 08:43 PM
#2769
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
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SET is perfectly safe.
The above is a little dramatic. Cmon.
We used to do it all the time in the MD88 5 legs a day, with and without new hires; a plane way harder to start than a 737 or 321.
The biggest threat was having your hand slip off the starter when going over a bump and reminding yourself not to prematurely reengage the starter until the N2 wound down so you didn’t shear the ATS.
SET from LAX T3 to 24L is not the right time to SET, but to blanket the whole thing as a huge risk is a little over the top.
The above is a little dramatic. Cmon.
We used to do it all the time in the MD88 5 legs a day, with and without new hires; a plane way harder to start than a 737 or 321.
The biggest threat was having your hand slip off the starter when going over a bump and reminding yourself not to prematurely reengage the starter until the N2 wound down so you didn’t shear the ATS.
SET from LAX T3 to 24L is not the right time to SET, but to blanket the whole thing as a huge risk is a little over the top.
03-11-2024, 09:09 PM
#2770
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,731
It was non-dramatic, factual, vanilla statement about mis-analysis of risk:reward, not a blanket that all SET is bad. LAX T3, 24L is just plain stupid, yet we have profit sharing heros who will pat themselves on the back for it. JFK evening rush hour with a clockwise flow to 22R is a reasonable SET application. As much as we love metrics, the risk of distraction on a short taxi hasn't made its way into the 4th floor model.
