A350-1000 and other Fleet News
03-10-2024, 04:54 AM
#2701
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,535
It is people like this that have opened my eyes to the way I look at SET.
On a 3 day trip I had to tell the tower on 2 legs that we needed a few more minutes for checklist because we were holding short and the second engine wasn’t warmed up.
On the same trip we decided to SET for 10 seconds and then start the 2nd on the way to the deice pad in MSP. While starting the engine “What were those taxi instructions again?”“Ehh call them back and verify I hold short of 22 on B.” “See if we can keep rolling and not hold short” “Call iceman and see if they know what spot” “Do you have the guide up?” There was a pack or bleed valve MEL that made the flow slightly different. The whole trip was more stressful than it needed to be.
SET has a time and place. If there are any obstacles I start 2. Threat mitigation.
On a 3 day trip I had to tell the tower on 2 legs that we needed a few more minutes for checklist because we were holding short and the second engine wasn’t warmed up.
On the same trip we decided to SET for 10 seconds and then start the 2nd on the way to the deice pad in MSP. While starting the engine “What were those taxi instructions again?”“Ehh call them back and verify I hold short of 22 on B.” “See if we can keep rolling and not hold short” “Call iceman and see if they know what spot” “Do you have the guide up?” There was a pack or bleed valve MEL that made the flow slightly different. The whole trip was more stressful than it needed to be.
SET has a time and place. If there are any obstacles I start 2. Threat mitigation.
03-10-2024, 05:13 AM
#2702
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,997
03-10-2024, 05:34 AM
#2703
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,812
It is people like this that have opened my eyes to the way I look at SET.
On a 3 day trip I had to tell the tower on 2 legs that we needed a few more minutes for checklist because we were holding short and the second engine wasn’t warmed up.
On the same trip we decided to SET for 10 seconds and then start the 2nd on the way to the deice pad in MSP. While starting the engine “What were those taxi instructions again?”“Ehh call them back and verify I hold short of 22 on B.” “See if we can keep rolling and not hold short” “Call iceman and see if they know what spot” “Do you have the guide up?” There was a pack or bleed valve MEL that made the flow slightly different. The whole trip was more stressful than it needed to be.
SET has a time and place. If there are any obstacles I start 2. Threat mitigation.
On a 3 day trip I had to tell the tower on 2 legs that we needed a few more minutes for checklist because we were holding short and the second engine wasn’t warmed up.
On the same trip we decided to SET for 10 seconds and then start the 2nd on the way to the deice pad in MSP. While starting the engine “What were those taxi instructions again?”“Ehh call them back and verify I hold short of 22 on B.” “See if we can keep rolling and not hold short” “Call iceman and see if they know what spot” “Do you have the guide up?” There was a pack or bleed valve MEL that made the flow slightly different. The whole trip was more stressful than it needed to be.
SET has a time and place. If there are any obstacles I start 2. Threat mitigation.
You don’t actually believe in CRM, regardless of what you say. And you’ve lost perspective entirely.
03-10-2024, 06:01 AM
#2704
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Position: 737 A
Posts: 1,031
I haven’t seen “Captain Shatner” since pre-Covid sorry for any of his current FOs. As a captain he taught me a lot on what not to do, and has skewed me towards two engine 99% of the time.
Last edited by Vsop; 03-10-2024 at 06:19 AM.
03-10-2024, 06:16 AM
#2705
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,812
I was his FO shortly after the terminal swap. He was trying to time the cross bleed start to take the runway (24L) as we hit warm up time. He was actually ****ed off when the tower had us wait for traffic departing from 25R. He was “going to die a happy man knowing he saved Delta some fuel.” Total nut job who then routinely didn’t do the other save fuel things like LRC shorter routes better altitudes ect.
I haven’t seen “Captain Shatner” since pre-Covid sorry for any of his current FOs. As a captain he taught me a lot on what not to do, and has screwed me towards two engine 99% of the time.
I haven’t seen “Captain Shatner” since pre-Covid sorry for any of his current FOs. As a captain he taught me a lot on what not to do, and has screwed me towards two engine 99% of the time.
03-10-2024, 06:57 AM
#2707
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Position: Not an RJ driver anymore
Posts: 1,067
03-10-2024, 07:29 AM
#2708
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Position: On the hotel shuttle
Posts: 5,907
I can always tell it's an ATL crew on my commute because the jet is always surface of the sun hot or you can hang meat in it because of what you speak. Pax don't like it. That's all the justification I need to keep it running or start it up early."
03-10-2024, 07:48 AM
#2709
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Scratching my head in the right seat of a Douglas product
Posts: 239
I recently went through a SUG course and a fairly recently retired DGS guy gave me the advice of, “ one of the best things you can do for your FO is have them sitting there on their hands, fat dumb and happy (before takeoff checklist complete) for the last few minutes before takeoff. It’s even more impactful if it’s their flying leg.” It gives them time to decompress and more time to think about what they are about to do. When he said that it made perfect sense to me as a 10 year FO here.
03-10-2024, 09:16 AM
#2710
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,836
Is it just me, or is the 717 the only fleet where SET is basically the norm? I've never once had a CA who started both at the gate even more than half the time. We definitely do spin both before taxi when warranted, especially with ATL in a east flow with minimal planes in the queue. But the standard that I've seen is pretty much spin 1, start taxiing, and spin 2 as appropriate.
