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Old 03-09-2024, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
Ok I’ve got to hear about this. Details please!
There's a feature in FD Pro that when enabled by the company will show taxiing aircraft at certain 10-9 airport diagrams. I flew with a tech pilot recently and he was taking notes about it to take back to his team.
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Old 03-09-2024, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Hopefully quite a few cuz if an FO can’t start an engine while taxiing I’d rather not fly with them. And for clarification what is Delta’s policy? Oh yeah, SINGLE ENGINE taxi unless there is a legit reason to start them both. Because I’m a professional and operate Delta’s jets how they are paying me too, if an FO feels the need to get irritated because god forbid it’s so distracting and difficult to start an engine while taxiing then so be it. Take it up with pro stan’s or chief pilot (would love to see their reaction).
I have. They don't care. Use your judgement. Do they prefer SET, yes, but it's not a mandate. I'm thinking you're just trolling here.

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I'm with you. SE taxi if there are more than 10 in line. There are plenty of apps our there than can give you this info and apparently a new FD Pro update will as well. There's also nothing wrong with starting both considering ramp conditions and then shutting one down if TO is more than 20-30 minutes away.

The same people who always start 2 are the same people who start the APU as soon as they board even though the cabin is comfortable, just because.
We're allowed to run APU regardless for pax comfort. Show me a base in the system in July where ground air keeps up with the cabin temp. Yeah that hose with 11 kinks in it laying on the ground in July where the surface temp is pushing 120+. Same can be said for winter time.

I can always tell it's an ATL crew on my commute because the jet is always surface of the sun hot or you can hang meat in it because of what you speak. Pax don't like it. That's all the justification I need to keep it running or start it up early

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Old 03-09-2024, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo


We're allowed to run APU regardless for pax comfort. Show me a base in the system in July where ground air keeps up with the cabin temp. Yeah that hose with 11 kinks in it laying on the ground in July where the surface temp is pushing 120+. Same can be said for winter time.

I can always tell it's an ATL crew on my commute because the jet is always surface of the sun hot or you can hang meat in it because of what you speak. Pax don't like it. That's all the justification I need to keep it running or start it up early
We're almost saying the same thing but the fact of your straw man fallacy. Run the APU when necessary. Otherwise save gas. There are pilots out there that brag about starting it as soon as they get to the flight deck even though it's comfortable in the cabin.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
There's a feature in FD Pro that when enabled by the company will show taxiing aircraft at certain 10-9 airport diagrams. I flew with a tech pilot recently and he was taking notes about it to take back to his team.
It's gotta cost more money. And you know how the company likes spending money on IT stuff...

We can't even get them to white list FD Pro to use the weather options that are already built into it.
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Hopefully quite a few cuz if an FO can’t start an engine while taxiing I’d rather not fly with them. And for clarification what is Delta’s policy? Oh yeah, SINGLE ENGINE taxi unless there is a legit reason to start them both. Because I’m a professional and operate Delta’s jets how they are paying me too, if an FO feels the need to get irritated because god forbid it’s so distracting and difficult to start an engine while taxiing then so be it. Take it up with pro stan’s or chief pilot (would love to see their reaction).
How is this going to work?
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
We're almost saying the same thing but the fact of your straw man fallacy. Run the APU when necessary. Otherwise save gas. There are pilots out there that brag about starting it as soon as they get to the flight deck even though it's comfortable in the cabin.
They probably do that because the PCU is barely able to cool an empty airplane, and sometimes not even then. As soon as the 1st person walks on, you've got a 98 degree radiator going and in no time you'll have 50, then 100. 95% of the time they won't cool a full airplane even if the temperature outside is fairly cool.

For every one that cranks the APU early, there is some Captain America where you roll into the gate in Florida with 150+ people, come to a stop and 30 seconds later the APU winds down. Yup, comfy for the people in the back.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
There's a feature in FD Pro that when enabled by the company will show taxiing aircraft at certain 10-9 airport diagrams. I flew with a tech pilot recently and he was taking notes about it to take back to his team.
1) how does Jeppesen feed that into the app? Where does it get the data?

2) I assume cellular data would be permitted during taxi?

3) is this something we actually can expect one day? And not one day in 2069, but maybe in the next few years?
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Old 03-09-2024, 02:01 PM
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When I was in the left seat of the 73 I would SET at certain airports but it had to make sense - SEA taking off south was one that I pretty much always did. But I did notice the fuel flow SE to go uphill and to me it seemed like it was twice the 2 engine fuel flow per engine. Oh well it probably still saved a little fuel and made sense so no worries. Some guys take it too far like the notorious LAX Captain who would cross bleed for 24L take offs every single time - he wore it as a badge of honor.

Oh yeah does anyone have a good photo of the exernal air hose twisted up into a bavarian pretzel? When we stop seeing those I will know the company is serious about not using the APU excessively.

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Old 03-09-2024, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I'm with you. SE taxi if there are more than 10 in line. There are plenty of apps our there than can give you this info and apparently a new FD Pro update will as well. There's also nothing wrong with starting both considering ramp conditions and then shutting one down if TO is more than 20-30 minutes away.

The same people who always start 2 are the same people who start the APU as soon as they board even though the cabin is comfortable, just because.
Absolutely no one is arguing that. That would fall into the category of “a good reason to start 1”.

I disprove your last paragraph, btw.

Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Hopefully quite a few cuz if an FO can’t start an engine while taxiing I’d rather not fly with them. And for clarification what is Delta’s policy? Oh yeah, SINGLE ENGINE taxi unless there is a legit reason to start them both. Because I’m a professional and operate Delta’s jets how they are paying me too, if an FO feels the need to get irritated because god forbid it’s so distracting and difficult to start an engine while taxiing then so be it. Take it up with pro stan’s or chief pilot (would love to see their reaction).
Serious question. Do you have your FO do cross bleed starts, or APU?
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Old 03-09-2024, 03:25 PM
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Shamlessly Stolen From BookFace... Not proving any point, just thought it was funny given how passionate some folks have been here...

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