myrkridia

​​​​​That makes sense. I'd probably still sneak a workout in there somewhere though. For me working out isn't to avoid getting fat, it's about prolonging my healthy life span through good mental health, keeping my BP low and increasing muscle mass. Making a habit out of skipping 2 or more days wouldn't be good for my goals, I can afford to cut back on 1-2 hours of fun on the layover.

Meme In Command

Did the WBA you took "your" seat from also complain about you taking it from them?

170Till5

“The only direct mention of the 767s in the presentation came when CEO Ed Bastian noted the order for 20 Airbus A350-1000s, with options for 20 more, for delivery starting in 2026, describing the A350s as "over 20% more fuel efficient than the 767s that they'll be replacing."”

https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-l...67-300er-2030/

crewdawg

This is key and why I really wasn't amped about us going after crew meals domestically. After about the 10th time eating the same crap on my way to Europe, I stopped eating that crap food they serve you on the jet. I would always bring my own meal for the flight over so I could eat decent food. At dinner on the layover, I'd have them box up half the meal right away and take that for the flight home. If not that, I'd just grab something at local grocery store for the leg home. The FA's are great about warming it up for you, some will even plate it if you're nice. If you're looking to avoid gaining weight, stay away from the crew meals/cookies/etc..., bring your own healthy food and take it easy on the booze. You'll walk enough on the layovers to get more than enough exercise. That said, I would always get up and go for a run after my nap, but that was more about waking up and getting the blood flowing when all I wanted to do was keep sleeping.

MoonShot

It sounds like personal health and fitness are your life goals. Flying international works directly against those goals. Regardless of how people try to sugar coat international, it is hard on the body. There is nothing healthy about flying internationally.

Im not claiming domestic is super healthy, but if you can get on a semi regular sleep schedule, that goes a long way to mitigate the health issues of airline flying. Not to mention, you’ll have the energy to workout.

myrkridia

you're right, that's a consideration for me in moving to a WB category. I figure I'll mitigate that threat by sticking to a short course 320->330 and if I hate it I can go back to where I'm at without waiting too long.

Hotel Kilo

Fair enough, we all have our reasons. Personally, I've been WB flying for some time and personally I don't find the WB trips wrecking me at all. For one you're not there at your destination long enough to reset your body clock. I've found you sleep when you need to and then get up and do what you want. Granted, no one I know is trying to wedge their acclimation point into the layover time zone. That's why mostly we nap when we get to hotel, then eat kinda early, then retire to the room. We all know we're probably going to be waking up sometime during the night, have a plan. Some that "iron man" it will get that rest all the way thru the night, but hey, that's what works for them. The best advice I can give is listen to your body. Talk to those that have been doing it for awhile, they generally have a good plan and once you get several "opinions" on it try them and then see what works best for you.

Good thing about our airline is that if the int'l thing is crushing you, you can always go back domestic.

Tinpusher007

Ed did say that. And I can't speak directly to what was in his mind when he did say it, but I don't really think Ed meant to imply that we ordered A350-1000's to replace our fleet of 767-300ER's on a one for one basis. The routes that the 767s fly now are not suited to the company laying out the capex to replace them with A350's; 900 or 1000, especially not the 1000. As the 767's retire, their capacity will be replaced by orders for new widebodies which for us, right now are A339s and A350s because there isn't a direct aiframe available. You could argue that any wide body we order is replacing the 767's because thats a fleet that's being retired. I think Ed stated the comparitive fuel efficiency simply as a matter of fact.

myrkridia

Thanks for the perspective! I'm curious, what are some examples of "having a plan" when you wake up in the middle of the night on an international layover?

Hotel Kilo

Have a set routine for getting back to sleep. Some read, like me. Some will take a shower. Some will do yoga. I know a few, especially in the london layover, that turn on the TV apparently the brit accent makes them sleepy again. It varies as widely as the individual. A good AME can help too. Maybe how to use melatonin or something, but you have to be careful with that, and again, I'd talk to your AME first. You just have to find what works for you.