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Old 01-19-2024, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
Nobody who fles the 330/350 is going to bid down to the 320 for the dog crap trips they have that are even more fatiguing, and it's unlikely they are going to pick a 737 at this stage of the game.

Don't disagree with you on the 717. However, if they're senior WB A, they'd be one of the top few 320A in my base. Save the few that are clearly commuters (flying commutable 5-days) those guys mostly fly high time turns and sleep in their own bed every night or are doing 2 and 3 days trips, with 2 legs for the trip, to nice warm weather, beachy layovers. This month the top guy (vacation month) is flying 2 x 3-days trips, 2-legs, 47 hr PVR layover, worth 17+ hours. I'd cerainly take that over crappy winter weather in Europe right now.
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Why not? The short courses also incur shorter category freezes which is nice.
MD doesn't have a freeze. A long course for backward movement is an expense to the company. Do we really want a provision that makes it more efficient to move pilot's backward?
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:51 AM
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But you're ignoring the fact that a "senior" WBA is going to be a SUPER senior NBA. They're not bidding more than 1 leg a day or easy Caribbean turns. I recently flew with a senior 765A who went 320A. He dropped all his trips and flew super easy one leg GS that deadhead back.
Still not worth it. I'd rather fly a trip or two to FCO with 1 leg each way and a nice nap, and a good dinner while in the country. Work smarter, not harder, son.

765 is boring flying and has a totally inadequate "rest area" where most don't sleep a wink. I'd bid off it too but not to a 320.

Once you fly true WB you'll understand.
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Old 01-19-2024, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
Still not worth it. I'd rather fly a trip or two to FCO with 1 leg each way and a nice nap, and a good dinner while in the country. Work smarter, not harder, son.

765 is boring flying and has a totally inadequate "rest area" where most don't sleep a wink. I'd bid off it too but not to a 320.

Once you fly true WB you'll understand.
Why can't you make a point without condescending to everyone?

And people sleep well enough in the Class II on the -400. I got a nap on every crossing I did on it except for 2. Of course I'd rather have a Class I, but it's not like it's a Class III, or worse yet the ironing board in the cockpit...
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Old 01-19-2024, 08:26 AM
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In other fleet news, it looks like the 737-800s are getting a much needed cabin refresh.
Unless they make it bigger ....
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
But you're ignoring the fact that a "senior" WBA is going to be a SUPER senior NBA. They're not bidding more than 1 leg a day or easy Caribbean turns. I recently flew with a senior 765A who went 320A. He dropped all his trips and flew super easy one leg GS that deadhead back.
Nick is so stuck with his preconceptions about what senior domestic NB is he fails to open his eyes to reality. With our new work rules a senior domestic A can do 7 Caribbean turns a month for 65-70 hrs of pay. Or have a clear schedule and eat up broken up trips. I haven't done 4 legs in the 73 since OE outta ATL. And I've hardly done any 3 leg days.
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Old 01-19-2024, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Don't disagree with you on the 717. However, if they're senior WB A, they'd be one of the top few 320A in my base. Save the few that are clearly commuters (flying commutable 5-days) those guys mostly fly high time turns and sleep in their own bed every night or are doing 2 and 3 days trips, with 2 legs for the trip, to nice warm weather, beachy layovers. This month the top guy (vacation month) is flying 2 x 3-days trips, 2-legs, 47 hr PVR layover, worth 17+ hours. I'd cerainly take that over crappy winter weather in Europe right now.
Yup once you get this type of schedule it's like golden handcuffs, very difficult to leave.

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The real issue though is, are there enough pilots who go from 330A to 320B, or 320A to 330B, or orther 'oddball' transitions to justify the expense of creating and certifying a 'new' short course/syllabus with the FAA?
Just want to clarify, the company should implement a backwards short course for same seat ie 350A->330A
330A->320A

Cant be that hard. Copy paste in reverse of the already approved short course. It's a sheer waste of time for a 330A to do a full IQ for 320A
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Unless they make it bigger ....
How would they make it bigger?
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Old 01-19-2024, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7

Just want to clarify, the company should implement a backwards short course for same seat ie 350A->330A
330A->320A

Cant be that hard. Copy paste in reverse of the already approved short course. It's a sheer waste of time for a 330A to do a full IQ for 320A
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What a great idea. Let's find an efficient way of moving a 330A down to 320A. It would make it much easier for MDs in the next downturn. In the meantime it provides a path the company can support for domestic only Captains when age 67 passes.
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The gain for a handful of voluntary down bids isn't worth the risk of more efficient backwards movement.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Yup once you get this type of schedule it's like golden handcuffs, very difficult to leave.



Just want to clarify, the company should implement a backwards short course for same seat ie 350A->330A
330A->320A

Cant be that hard. Copy paste in reverse of the already approved short course. It's a sheer waste of time for a 330A to do a full IQ for 320A
The only SC they should add is 330B to 320A short course.
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