A350-1000 and other Fleet News
01-15-2024, 10:16 AM
#2261
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 929
Yeah I'm sure a pilot would. LCP would be like WTF he do that for? I see no need to ever do it. But just for outside the box discussion..10ft is within tolerance, and you've been given clearance to descend at your discretion...no rules broken. Yet every pilot I see on a 321 selects 205kts instead of 210 when assigned by ATC so they can get to flaps 2. I see nowhere mentioning this technique either, cuz well you can't intentionally tell people to violate a clearence in writting. I like it though, just don't tell ATC 😀🫢
01-15-2024, 10:18 AM
#2262
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
01-15-2024, 10:19 AM
#2263
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,454
I've learned more techniques (good and bad) by holding my tougue to see if it's gonna work. Sometimes we outsmart ourselves. If you're in compliance, then you're in compliance. I'm always looking for an easier easy button. You get free rein until you scare me.
01-15-2024, 10:25 AM
#2264
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 929
I always thought that was pushing it just a bit, as it was easy for the autopilot to get into the 230’s when left at 240.
01-15-2024, 10:30 AM
#2265
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,231
When I was on the 7ER, I remember reading a company publication that said it was acceptable to let the default speed of 240 remain in place when assigned 250 below 10.
I always thought that was pushing it just a bit, as it was easy for the autopilot to get into the 230’s when left at 240.
I always thought that was pushing it just a bit, as it was easy for the autopilot to get into the 230’s when left at 240.
01-15-2024, 10:31 AM
#2266
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 330 B
Posts: 1,622
When I was on the 7ER, I remember reading a company publication that said it was acceptable to let the default speed of 240 remain in place when assigned 250 below 10.
I always thought that was pushing it just a bit, as it was easy for the autopilot to get into the 230’s when left at 240.
I always thought that was pushing it just a bit, as it was easy for the autopilot to get into the 230’s when left at 240.
01-15-2024, 11:49 AM
#2268
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,363
Because the Newsletter indicates it's a possible due to an FMS software update the narrowbody fleet doesn't have. This allows 330 to automatically descend at the 1,000 fpm managed descent rate until intercepting the idle descent path. If you build the PBD 10 ft below your CRZ alt on the 320, you've wasted that initial segment idle descent in those 10 ft you used to trick the FMS. So, now from your PBD to the next fix it'll be a geometric path which will burn more fuel unnecessarily. So, it's not quite the same.
01-15-2024, 12:21 PM
#2270
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,125
Because the Newsletter indicates it's a possible due to an FMS software update the narrowbody fleet doesn't have. This allows 330 to automatically descend at the 1,000 fpm managed descent rate until intercepting the idle descent path. If you build the PBD 10 ft below your CRZ alt on the 320, you've wasted that initial segment idle descent in those 10 ft you used to trick the FMS. So, now from your PBD to the next fix it'll be a geometric path which will burn more fuel unnecessarily. So, it's not quite the same.
320 LCPs don’t advocate it bc it’s so much more work and higher threat if you input it all wrong vs simply PAYING ATTENTION and Pressing managed descent 5-10 prior TOD.
The entire exercise mentioned in prior posts is for lazy PFs who don’t want to actually attention.
