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Old 01-12-2024, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by artlight
Reuters has it as of 30 minutes ago:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...in%20in%202026.
I always have to chuckle at news articles which go to the photo bank to accompnay an article of brand new WB's, and pick... A picture with an aircraft we retired almost 4 years ago, and a NB we've had forever.

How hard is it to search for "Delta 350" on your favoite search engine?
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
A339 order would have been announced today as well if we were getting those.. they’re an older design, 787 adds fleet diversity, lower cabin altitude for pax comfort, better at hauling cargo… and cheaper airplane than the 339. 339 is a short term solution for Delta, there’s a reason it’s not in high demand
1. No one (especially Delta) cares about how old a design is. We just bought second hand 73Ns two years ago, a design that was 30 years old.

2. We have diversity…with 350s

3. Company doesn’t care about cabin alt

4. Show me stats, but it can’t be that much better than the NEO

5. Not cheaper when you consider the sims/procedure trainers we’d have to buy, the training department churn, etc.

I’d love to have some 787s. But I’m also a realist, and at this point, it ain’t happening unless Boeing comes with a sweetheart of a deal. So long as we can keep getting MRO agreements on the 350/330 engines, we’ll be an AB air line wrt WBs.
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I always have to chuckle at news articles which go to the photo bank to accompnay an article of brand new WB's, and pick... A picture with an aircraft we retired almost 4 years ago, and a NB we've had forever.

How hard is it to search for "Delta 350" on your favoite search engine?
While I agree with you, I’m guessing the Reuters database of file photos that they have licensed rights to is limited in the dozens.

I believe that to buy unrestricted rights to good photos from someone off of a.net can run in the $1,000s. Something Reuters is way too cheap to do just to refresh their photo stock.
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
I’d love to have some 787s. But I’m also a realist, and at this point, it ain’t happening unless Boeing comes with a sweetheart of a deal. So long as we can keep getting MRO agreements on the 350/330 engines, we’ll be an AB air line wrt WBs.
I believe the MRO deal is with RollsRoyce which is an engine option on the 787. Regardless if engines are RR, GE, PE, adding a new feet/engine would give Delta more potential customers for TechOps.
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Because the A338 is a turd. There is a very good reason no one is ordering it. The fact that it is similarly sized to a 767, and closer to the -400 than the -300 doesn't mean it is the optimal replacement for those jets. The A338 is a shrink of the A339 to give it more range. Same is true of the A332 and the only reason NW ordered them is because they needed more range than the original PW powered 323's could provide. The 763 is a stretch of the original 762 which also sold poorly, relative to the 300. The 787-9 (not 900) is also a stretch of the -8 which, once again is not the version that Boeing is selling lots of these days. We also don't necessarily need a like for like replacemnt of the 767 for every route it flies. Int'l markets are growing, not contracting. Up gauging is likely going to be the way we continue to serve them.
I'm curious about the actual performance sweet spot. It seems most people complain about not having the longest range payload capacity that was expected with Airbi. If the operating costs are similar I guess getting the bigger airplane makes sense and just limiting it. I've never flown AB and probably won't, not because I wouldn't but because I'm most likely already in my last airplane. I have no desire to go back to WB type flying especially as I get older. So, what is better from a revenue generation stand point? A smaller airplane for diverse seat counts that can carry full payload or a larger airplane that has to be limited on payload on certain routes and in certain conditions is the choice. In a growth model the larger seems wise if it operates for roughly the same price all in. Is the -800 capital cost low enough to make up for that? I'm guessing not unless Delta gets a great deal. This is why I'm not an aircraft purchasing agent or network planner I guess. It really doesn't matter to me, I'll fly whatever I can to make the most for the least effort. Thanks, I had no idea about the turd reputation. I just assumed the design was optimised for the seat/size market and given as much range as possible.

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Old 01-12-2024, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vsop
I believe the MRO deal is with RollsRoyce which is an engine option on the 787. Regardless if engines are RR, GE, PE, adding a new feet/engine would give Delta more potential customers for TechOps.
The 787 is future proof, and yes the RR engine options will help with negotiating. Delta is all about selling a premium product and the general public knows the 787 and 350 are superior products for comfort. They can swap around 787’s with partner airlines as well just like we took LATAM’s 350’s. Only 4 airlines in the world operate the 339- it’s a short term solution. If there was going to be a big 330 order, it would have been announced today with the 350’s. Delta is also probably waiting for someone to go out of business to secure their next round of WB jets
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Old 01-12-2024, 01:02 PM
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What if the plan is no more 767s and A330s and they just go all-in on the 350?

787s? Hahaha… Please be serious. We aren’t getting any 787s.
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Old 01-12-2024, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
What if the plan is no more 767s and A330s and they just go all-in on the 350?

787s? Hahaha… Please be serious. We aren’t getting any 787s.
that would be sweet. Can’t see them taking a 350 to all those niche locations the 767 goes now. Also, reading the contract it looks like 350-1000 rates need to be negotiated
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Old 01-12-2024, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
What if the plan is no more 767s and A330s and they just go all-in on the 350?

787s? Hahaha… Please be serious. We aren’t getting any 787s.
Passengers will be thrilled. The new NPS 350 cabins are 9 inches wider than the 787. Almost an extra inch per seat in economy.
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Old 01-12-2024, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
that would be sweet. Can’t see them taking a 350 to all those niche locations the 767 goes now.
They won’t. They’ll send a 330 to those spots. And they’ll upgauge current 330 routes to 350s.
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