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Old 01-12-2024, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
so these aren’t growth planes then
You and I had this very discussion about a year ago. 2023 AE thread, page 106 if you want to go back and look.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Vsop
That’s good info to know. I assume it’s really a trickle down up gauge. Most likely the 330-200/300 is really replacing the 767-300 and not a direct replacement of the smallest wide body with the largest.
This is an underrated post.

I don’t claim expert status on this subject, but as I’ve sat and thought about it, I agree with this and what some others have posted about small(er) incremental orders. DL is, if nothing else, disciplined and cautious on orders.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Redbird611
Well, we had roughtly 16 each of A339 and A359 on order already. With the A35K order that's 52 widebodies to be delivered and 66 767s to be retired. If the 20 A35K options are taken up that would be a net positive. When all is said and done it will be a significant increase in pilots at the top paying rate compared to before the beginning of all the A330/A350 orders.

If the numbers posted above are correct, then we're currently sitting at a -14 fleet growth. I'm definetly happy to see more pilots at the highest rate, that is outstanding. But until that -14 turns positive, preferbable by double digits, then the champagne can stay on ice. Based on Deltas propesnity to make smaller orders, I do think it will eventually come, we can drink the champagne then lol.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
If the numbers posted above are correct, then we're currently sitting at a -14 fleet growth. I'm definetly happy to see more pilots at the highest rate, that is outstanding. But until that -14 turns positive, preferbable by double digits, then the champagne can stay on ice. Based on Deltas propesnity to make smaller orders, I do think it will eventually come, we can drink the champagne then lol.


​​The 767-400s are not going anywhere without 339/350K options being activated. Delta already is short of WB aircraft.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
If the numbers posted above are correct, then we're currently sitting at a -14 fleet growth. I'm definetly happy to see more pilots at the highest rate, that is outstanding. But until that -14 turns positive, preferbable by double digits, then the champagne can stay on ice. Based on Deltas propesnity to make smaller orders, I do think it will eventually come, we can drink the champagne then lol.
I think the options are highly likely to be taken on any aircraft order. Insert GF dissertation on using today’s dollars/debt to purchase future items saving on inflation and related price increases.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Where’s this listed? All I see is 284 NB and 48 WB on order in the DeltaNet article.
Check the 2022 annual report from Feb 2023. It lists all orders/options.

https://ir.delta.com/financials/sec-...ingId=16388451
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:50 AM
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It looks like 20 350-1000..coming our way
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Old 01-12-2024, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
If the numbers posted above are correct, then we're currently sitting at a -14 fleet growth. I'm definetly happy to see more pilots at the highest rate, that is outstanding. But until that -14 turns positive, preferbable by double digits, then the champagne can stay on ice. Based on Deltas propesnity to make smaller orders, I do think it will eventually come, we can drink the champagne then lol.
I’m no Trip, but assuming all 767s are retiring without assuming we order more planes (or at the very least, exercising our 20 options) is a bit pessimistic.

Facts are, the 767s don’t have a retirement date and will still be here when the 20 A350s arrive. Thats growth.

I agree though, we will need another order and I also agree we will see small, incremental orders.
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Old 01-12-2024, 08:03 AM
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It looks like 20 350-1000..coming our way
Using internet explorer?

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Old 01-12-2024, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Finally someone gets it...minimal growth, mostly replacement...a few new routes by 2030 but not many. A339 will replace 764,763. Do not expect 787, you will be disappointed.
They have said that the -400 still has until after 2030, and some of the ERs. Y’all act like there will be zero aircraft orders before the end of the decade now, which is almost 6 years away.

We don’t do splashy 100 plane orders, but everyone saying we were going to be left far behind on slots and we are taking the first in 2-ish years. AND with the engine MX contract that we want with every new order. Maybe our negotiators don’t suck….

Now back to standard pilot complaining.
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