A350-1000 and other Fleet News
01-08-2024, 11:11 AM
#1991
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In their defense however, the electronic charts are such a POS in that regard that it is really hard to tell what is compulsory and what isn't.
And I'd still be interested in hearing how many of you send the company a turbulence report along your way: ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international/domestic...
01-08-2024, 11:19 AM
#1992
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I am referring to company position reports. Do you send turbulence reports to the company after an automatically sent position report? And just out of curiosity, when you do do HF reports, do you do only the compulsory points or do you do what I have seen FOs do dozens of times and read all of them?
01-08-2024, 11:47 AM
#1993
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The AM 6.4.2.8.5.2 (yes, it is that deep) states "Turbulence reports are required at all DAL POS reports and when endountering un-forecasted conditions" (bold mine, last line of the section). So even if you are on your route (Airbus) or abeam your fixes with a WPR reset accomplished (Boeing) (I.e. all position reports are being sent automatically) you are still supposed to send Turbulence Reports at DAL POS reporting points; ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international and domestic.
I agree with notEnuf on the HF side. HF sucks and should go away in todays CPDLC/Satcom world. Use it if the CPDLC is inop/MEL some way, but ditch it when everything is working normally.
01-08-2024, 11:53 AM
#1994
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I'd say the folks I fly with are less than 50% on the Turbulence reports.
The AM 6.4.2.8.5.2 (yes, it is that deep) states "Turbulence reports are required at all DAL POS reports and when endountering un-forecasted conditions" (bold mine, last line of the section). So even if you are on your route (Airbus) or abeam your fixes with a WPR reset accomplished (Boeing) (I.e. all position reports are being sent automatically) you are still supposed to send Turbulence Reports at DAL POS reporting points; ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international and domestic.
I agree with notEnuf on the HF side. HF sucks and should go away in todays CPDLC landscape. Use it if the CPDLC is inop/MEL some way, but ditch it when everything is working normally.
The AM 6.4.2.8.5.2 (yes, it is that deep) states "Turbulence reports are required at all DAL POS reports and when endountering un-forecasted conditions" (bold mine, last line of the section). So even if you are on your route (Airbus) or abeam your fixes with a WPR reset accomplished (Boeing) (I.e. all position reports are being sent automatically) you are still supposed to send Turbulence Reports at DAL POS reporting points; ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international and domestic.
I agree with notEnuf on the HF side. HF sucks and should go away in todays CPDLC landscape. Use it if the CPDLC is inop/MEL some way, but ditch it when everything is working normally.
01-08-2024, 12:22 PM
#1995
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Have you tried that on HF? I've had to give 2 compulsory postion reports simultaniously because of frequency congestion. If there's any weather, every flight is negotiation deviations through an intermediary and company points drop way down the priority list. I guess I'm using my emergency authority a lot more than I thought by staying off frquency and only communicating my deviation needs. Single HF is all that's required, but is that a realistic way to operate in 2024?
01-08-2024, 12:29 PM
#1996
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I've been very fortunate to have only been non-CPDLC/non-satcom-ACARS for 2 crossings in 10 years (1 Boeing/1Airbus) and on both, we completely ditched the environmental stuff and stuck with the ICAO-required and fuel pieces. Before DL I was actually a plumber on an ac with no SELCAL...now that sucked! And I feel for all those military folks with no SELCAL installed; listening to that noise for hours-on-end would definitely cause hearing loss.
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01-08-2024, 12:40 PM
#1997
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I'd say the folks I fly with are less than 50% on the Turbulence reports.
The AM 6.4.2.8.5.2 (yes, it is that deep) states "Turbulence reports are required at all DAL POS reports and when endountering un-forecasted conditions" (bold mine, last line of the section). So even if you are on your route (Airbus) or abeam your fixes with a WPR reset accomplished (Boeing) (I.e. all position reports are being sent automatically) you are still supposed to send Turbulence Reports at DAL POS reporting points; ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international and domestic.
I agree with notEnuf on the HF side. HF sucks and should go away in todays CPDLC/Satcom world. Use it if the CPDLC is inop/MEL some way, but ditch it when everything is working normally.
The AM 6.4.2.8.5.2 (yes, it is that deep) states "Turbulence reports are required at all DAL POS reports and when endountering un-forecasted conditions" (bold mine, last line of the section). So even if you are on your route (Airbus) or abeam your fixes with a WPR reset accomplished (Boeing) (I.e. all position reports are being sent automatically) you are still supposed to send Turbulence Reports at DAL POS reporting points; ETOPS or not, radar contact or not, international and domestic.
I agree with notEnuf on the HF side. HF sucks and should go away in todays CPDLC/Satcom world. Use it if the CPDLC is inop/MEL some way, but ditch it when everything is working normally.
ANd you got the reference. Thank you.
01-08-2024, 02:10 PM
#1998
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Embraer have stated that the E-175 is still compatible after 2027.https://leehamnews.com/2021/12/21/p-mtu-writes-off-investment-sees-no-revenue-in-future/ fethiye tours
E2-190 would be a decent jet. Looks like 96 peeps in a 2 class, that’s 2 FAs. If airlines are willing to pay captains on 76 seat jets 200/hr at the top end, thats 252/hr for 96 peeps in the back (a few dollars less than the 110 seat 717 too). Sure other costs are higher, but you also aren’t paying for a CPA or overhead of a wholly owned. I think there’s absolutely a world where the E2-190 makes sense at mainline. Probably costs a bit less per hour than the 221 with a slimmer fuselage as lower MTOW. Embraer might be keen to get a blue chip customer too.
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows in a few years.
E2-190 would be a decent jet. Looks like 96 peeps in a 2 class, that’s 2 FAs. If airlines are willing to pay captains on 76 seat jets 200/hr at the top end, thats 252/hr for 96 peeps in the back (a few dollars less than the 110 seat 717 too). Sure other costs are higher, but you also aren’t paying for a CPA or overhead of a wholly owned. I think there’s absolutely a world where the E2-190 makes sense at mainline. Probably costs a bit less per hour than the 221 with a slimmer fuselage as lower MTOW. Embraer might be keen to get a blue chip customer too.
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows in a few years.
01-08-2024, 04:30 PM
#1999
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01-08-2024, 04:37 PM
#2000
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Will be very interesting to see if it's more than just the 350-1000's, and what the delivery slots are.
Exactly in line with what GeneralLee has said. Naysayers have made negative comments which may not age well.
