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Old 01-04-2024, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie
Man that's going to be ugly, the flying this winter is thin enough on the 767, loosing ten of them will take a bite out of the routes. Expect lots of movement off that fleet, or finally upgrades for some.
Yup I think Summer '24 is the last hurrah of international flying at scale on the ER fleet. The rise of the 330/350 continues
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Old 01-04-2024, 04:40 AM
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Yup I think Summer '24 is the last hurrah of international flying at scale on the ER fleet. The rise of the 330/350 continues
Yes I agree, loss of 10 jets will really shake up that category, lots of people camped out in the right seat will be looking for plan B. Curious if the ER will remain junior or if people will shift to the bus? I expect the 767-400 will go very senior quickly, that's the easiest thing to do basically a difference check out.
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Old 01-04-2024, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
snn is already scheduled on 757
Whoopsie, I forgot that I had already checked Travelnet a month ago.
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Old 01-04-2024, 05:09 AM
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The last I heard we were losing "a few" ER's after this summer. Now it's 10? Does anyone have any "Top Men," gouge?
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Old 01-04-2024, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
The MAX 10 doesn't have the the range of the 321NEO but has more range than the 737-900. Network has previously stated the MAX 10 will mainly be deployed on longer stage lengths out of ATL, DTW and MSP


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I had hoped after the letter from Gaetz we'd just use that jet for Texas and Florida charters to MVY, CHI and SFO. It seems to be the favorite fleet type for that kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
It’s seems A350s do select domestic routes during the winter when European capacity is reduced.
MSP-PHX comes to mind
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
The MAX 10 doesn't have the the range of the 321NEO but has more range than the 737-900. Network has previously stated the MAX 10 will mainly be deployed on longer stage lengths out of ATL, DTW and MSP. I expect West Coast to Hawaii flying and BOS transcons to be 321NEO specialities. I doubt there will be any NEO trans Atlantic flying unless Delta orders the 321XLR. All the other longer non SAQ stage lengths will likely be a mix of MAX 10 and 321NEO depending on how network wants to stage fleets for operational efficiency.

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Didn't network also look at plugging MAX into the NYC to west coast stuff as well? Not just MSP-DTW-ATL. Some of the longest stage lengths I believe are flown out of JFK. Is that correct? Seems a MAX10 with D1 seating would be a good fit for that route. I agree with Hawaii and BOS. That is going to be pure NEO flying unless we upgauge in high season (think Hawaij flying). Does NEO have performance for OGG? Or will it have to tech stop in KOA? Cargo load? Payload optimized? I don't see MAX 10 doing any Hawaii stuff. Maybe MAX 8/9 if we end up getting those, but def not MAX 10.

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No prob! I'll have to ask about the D1 plans. I do expect that we do see other Max variants at the end of the decade to replace some of the older 73s/ baby bus's. It has been mentioned by network that the max8/9 could be used by us for ETOPS in that scenario. As we have seen, there just truly is not a replacmenet for the venerable 75. It is taking multiple fleets to kind of accomplish the work. The 75s will solider on to shorter stage lengths and operate the SAQs where nothing else can do the job to the same level load wise. The 76s will start to disappear after this summer. 10 are slated to leave the fleet after summer 24 flying (subject to change of course).
Thanks again General. Hey, I heard a rumor from my friend (he's a higher up at Tech Ops) mention something about we lost ETOPS on several of the 763s. Something about the engines if I remember correctly. Is that what is going on there? Or is this just a rote retirement of some tired airframes. I loved me my 75/76, but lets face it, our 763s are long in the tooth and are far past needing to be replaced. Especially if we push more premium seating on the 330s.

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It's mainly done two man
I don't know if its still done, but we used to do JFK-LIS (3 person crew). Then LIS-BOS (2 person crew) then BOS-LIS (2 person crew) then LIS-JFK (3 person). It was a 6 day trip from what I recall and they used the 763 on it.

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Yup I think Summer '24 is the last hurrah of international flying at scale on the ER fleet. The rise of the 330/350 continues
I don't know about that. My guess is the 76 will be flying some Europe based on the thinner destination it serves. But I won't argue that the days of the 763 blotting out the sun across the NATs is over.

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The last I heard we were losing "a few" ER's after this summer. Now it's 10? Does anyone have any "Top Men," gouge?
10 is the number I've heard tossed about as well. Could be a few more. Depends on aircraft deliveries though.
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Didn't network also look at plugging MAX into the NYC to west coast stuff as well? Not just MSP-DTW-ATL. Some of the longest stage lengths I believe are flown out of JFK. Is that correct?
Absolutely correct. NYC and ATL Transcons will likely be a mix of both 321NEO and 73MAX flying as network sees fit. At those stage lengths operational efficiency is more important than the minute differences in fuel efficiency between the jets. For example ATL-SEA and ATL-LAX might be better suited for NEO flying as those jets can continue to Hawaii.

On a personal note I love the prospect of Hawaii flying on the NEO as that leaves more opportunity for Carribean and Latin America flying for the 73 fleet. Saw a Delta 321NEO parked at the gate in SDQ on taxi in and damn near cried.
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Hey, I heard a rumor from my friend (he's a higher up at Tech Ops) mention something about we lost ETOPS on several of the 763s. Something about the engines if I remember correctly. Is that what is going on there? .
We removed a few 7ER's from the ETOPS program last winter due to high EGT's (low EGT margins.) They had a yellow placard placed in the logbook. They have all since been returned to ETOPS status.
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I'd be surprised to see both a D1 321neo and 73max subfleet. There's 18 D1 757, and a handful more Neo planned in that config planned.
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