Originally Posted by 1Taco

Thanks for the info. I assume -1000s? Any talk of when the max 10s are scheduled to be delivered?

Originally Posted by lake

Ironic that air India is flying our old 777LR's from India to the USA.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

I think that was the plan all along for those 2 aircraft. It's been discussed the NEOs will be programmed in to Hawaii flying more (that's the plan anyway). So ETOPS is required. Perhaps they'll run to KEF and DUB as well?? The Maxes can fly to all destinations in the Caribbean wihout ETOPS. The -900s are doing that now. It was also my understanding the plan was all along to get our 350s with the increased MTOW. As to the other stuff, I'll believe it when ti happens. Until then, just rumors.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

321NEO's have been picking up SJU turns out of BOS, some SDQ turns out of JFK, as well as the JFK two day trips with 24 hours in AUA.

But agreed that ETOPS isn't required on the WAT unless you get a very eastern Lima route and BDA is not usable.

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007

I would assume the "deep SA" growth to be via LATAM metal, not ours but I hope to be wrong. Im skeptical of Vietnam and Manila as well; both markets are known for being low yielding. Plus during a townhall I asked why we didn't plan to rebid the PDX HND slot for JFK and they said the market was "too competitive". Surely Tokyo has high enough yields from NYC than Vietnam or Phillippines would from either LAX or SEA which are the only 2 markets I could see us launching those routes from. The rest of the Asia markets sound legit. But regarding India, what exactly is the right equipment to go back there with? Air India themselves just ordered a bunch of 350s and plan on launching new routes to the US (DEL-SEA/LAX/DFW). All we've got are the incoming 283 ton NPS 359s and -1000s (allegedly). So if not one of those types Im not sure what else there is unless the 777x is in play which is doubtful. Anyway, would be great if we make a go of these routes and make money flying them.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

BDA = TXKF?

I see the 321s there as network responding to demand. Nothing more. The ETOPS 321s were purchased primarily to run the Hawaiin routes. Better product. I think we'll also see how they do running to KEF and DUB as well. MAXes were not going to be doing that Hawaiin run anyway. Thus no ETOPS. I don't see that changing. Based on our seating plans for the MAX I think that gets rolled into more transcons and to continue the 73 swarm to the caribbean destinations. Trip can probably better speak to 73 capes (both Max and -900), but I don't think losing TXKF is a show stopper for the -900s.

Originally Posted by 9easy

Delta would kill it on SEA-MNL. Lots of Filipino Diaspora out west and in Vancouver. The days of MNL traffic being low margin are over, Pinoys are the second highest earning ethnic group in the USA and the new UA SFO route is always booked in biz.

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007

Why DUB? Thats a pretty hot market, especially in the summer. We used to run 330s on it. A 321 would be a huge drop in capacity. SNN sounds more like a good fit for a 321 but they have said many times they don't want to run it in the trans atlantic markets.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

I know about 330 flying to DUB, but we also send the 75/76 there as well. But yeah, DUB is big in summer for sure. I was thinking maybe more in the shoulder months for the NEOs. I'm just spitballing here anyway. Network has always confused me.

Originally Posted by tcco94

It’s not as easy as just plugging an etops for Hawaii into the Atlantic. It would cost a lot of money for approval of that and proving runs. Also - aren’t all the neos across the Atlantic the LR’s anyways? Shoulder month Europe just completely stops service into places like DUB and KEF anyways.
DUB is always a widebody as of now, SNN will be a 757 though.