A350-1000 and other Fleet News
12-17-2023, 08:02 AM
#1771
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Honestly I am really surprised Flight Ops was able to sell the HUD to the bean counters in the first place. I can't think of a single flight I've done where the HUD made the difference between getting in or not. Sure it's nice and I won't turn down another tool but I don't feel like it's as amazing as some CAs and instructors made it out to be.
I also wish we had more latitude to not use it. Maybe my interpretation is too strict but I don't feel like I can ever not use it unless it's on MEL. I rode on a SWA j/s a bit ago and the CA flipped it down during taxi to check it and then stowed it for the remainder of the flight. I'd like to be able to periodically fly without it so I could feel confident if it was MEL'd.
I also wish we had more latitude to not use it. Maybe my interpretation is too strict but I don't feel like I can ever not use it unless it's on MEL. I rode on a SWA j/s a bit ago and the CA flipped it down during taxi to check it and then stowed it for the remainder of the flight. I'd like to be able to periodically fly without it so I could feel confident if it was MEL'd.
12-17-2023, 08:09 AM
#1772
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Honestly I am really surprised Flight Ops was able to sell the HUD to the bean counters in the first place. I can't think of a single flight I've done where the HUD made the difference between getting in or not. Sure it's nice and I won't turn down another tool but I don't feel like it's as amazing as some CAs and instructors made it out to be.
I also wish we had more latitude to not use it. Maybe my interpretation is too strict but I don't feel like I can ever not use it unless it's on MEL. I rode on a SWA j/s a bit ago and the CA flipped it down during taxi to check it and then stowed it for the remainder of the flight. I'd like to be able to periodically fly without it so I could feel confident if it was MEL'd.
I also wish we had more latitude to not use it. Maybe my interpretation is too strict but I don't feel like I can ever not use it unless it's on MEL. I rode on a SWA j/s a bit ago and the CA flipped it down during taxi to check it and then stowed it for the remainder of the flight. I'd like to be able to periodically fly without it so I could feel confident if it was MEL'd.
3 years on the 737 (loved the jet BTW) and thought the HUD was nothing more than an expensive toy. Plus it's just something else you have to reprogram for a runway change.
12-18-2023, 06:24 AM
#1773
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Every thumper I've had in the 737 was sans HUD. I never flew it from the right seat. It's a PFD with a landing cheat. Try flying without a PFD. It's more about getting and being good with the equipment you normally use. If I haven't flown in a small single engine tailwheel in a while, the landings aren't great the first time. The 737 without the hud is different in that you have to change your habbits for information and sight picture. I think it's overkill but happy it's there. There are litterally no good excuses for a bad landing with the HUD.
12-19-2023, 12:24 AM
#1774
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Every thumper I've had in the 737 was sans HUD. I never flew it from the right seat. It's a PFD with a landing cheat. Try flying without a PFD. It's more about getting and being good with the equipment you normally use. If I haven't flown in a small single engine tailwheel in a while, the landings aren't great the first time. The 737 without the hud is different in that you have to change your habbits for information and sight picture. I think it's overkill but happy it's there. There are litterally no good excuses for a bad landing with the HUD.
12-19-2023, 01:09 PM
#1775
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For me it's easier to get a super smooth landing without the HUD, especially on a 900. Less information to process, just use eyeballs. Get cleared the visual on downwind into one of the Villes,(or JAN), turn off everything(AP,AT,HUD,FD), and have fun. I flew the 73 from the right seat as well tho
12-19-2023, 02:21 PM
#1776
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For me it's easier to get a super smooth landing without the HUD, especially on a 900. Less information to process, just use eyeballs. Get cleared the visual on downwind into one of the Villes,(or JAN), turn off everything(AP,AT,HUD,FD), and have fun. I flew the 73 from the right seat as well tho
12-19-2023, 05:49 PM
#1777
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For me it's easier to get a super smooth landing without the HUD, especially on a 900. Less information to process, just use eyeballs. Get cleared the visual on downwind into one of the Villes,(or JAN), turn off everything(AP,AT,HUD,FD), and have fun. I flew the 73 from the right seat as well tho
I will quote you from section 6.5.1.2:
"A very smooth/soft touchdown is not essential, nor even desired, particularly if the runway is wet. During the flare the pilot should not concentrate on airspeed, but on aircraft attitude using external cues"
The data for tailstrikes on landing confirms that those that scrape the tail on landing are trying to "grease it on". That's no bueno for the -900. You shouldn't be doing it or teaching it. Some are even "trimming in the flare" a big no-no for that jet.
That is why we wrote the FCTM the way we did.
12-19-2023, 06:19 PM
#1778
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12-19-2023, 10:06 PM
#1779
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