A350-1000 and other Fleet News
#1651
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You will never hear me say something outrageous like a Renaissance (yikes), but I hear snippets here and there. Lots of stuff on the table. Complex deals with MRO contracts worth major DL profit. I've often mentioned it and it's glossed over on the forums. 350s seems certain, but RR's stranglehold has opened the door for other options. Whether that happens in the upcoming deal or in a subsequent one is the grand question.
#1653
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Same issue I have heard regarding the 350-1000s. The XWB-97 seems to have some magical sticking point for Rolls Royce, and, as the sole powerplant source for the A350-1000, that also becomes a sticking point for Airbus. All about bringing the.cost of shop visits down....and bigly if it is done in-house.
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#1655
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You will never hear me say something outrageous like a Renaissance (yikes), but I hear snippets here and there. Lots of stuff on the table. Complex deals with MRO contracts worth major DL profit. I've often mentioned it and it's glossed over on the forums. 350s seems certain, but RR's stranglehold has opened the door for other options. Whether that happens in the upcoming deal or in a subsequent one is the grand question.
#1656
Same issue I have heard regarding the 350-1000s. The XWB-97 seems to have some magical sticking point for Rolls Royce, and, as the sole powerplant source for the A350-1000, that also becomes a sticking point for Airbus. All about bringing the.cost of shop visits down....and bigly if it is done in-house.
#1657
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Word on the TechOps street is while the 350 is very efficient operationally it has elevated maintenance costs. If true makes sense that Delta has been patient with negotiations to get the overall price down whether that be thru lower acquisition cost or lucrative MRO deal.
#1658
The initial big, Delta A350/A339 order was in the fall of 2014 so it was way before the C-Series issue became relevant. Northwest was the 787 NA launch customer (2005) and had 18 firm orders and 50 options. Boeing failed to deliver the 787 on time, and of course the initial batch of production planes were so far under performing and had so many issues that Northwest and then Delta after the merger rejected them. Northwest in fall of 2007 sent a group of mechanics to inspect the airplane and they did not like what they saw at all, fastener issues, and shoddy workmanship on the airplanes. The 787 "rolled out" on 7/8/07 (how cute) but did not even make its first flight until 2-1/2 years later. In time, of course the problems got worked out and in 2014 Delta was on board with ordering the 787 but rumor had it that we wanted them immediately and Boeing would not commit to that. However, that's a strange rumor given the fact that the 350 did not show up on property till 2017 and the 339 in 2019. More likely is that Airbus did a "buy one get one free" deal with Delta.
Personally, I don't think there's any vindictiveness from Delta towards Boeing (like let's screw them over) it's just a business deal, and Delta's business deals involve getting airplanes at the absolute cheapest price possible. Simple as that. Delta's been cheap for a long time. It's built into the culture here. A famous Aviation Week article from the late 60s perhaps best made the point when it reported that Delta required employees to use pencils down to a length of 2 1/2 inches!
Let's hope there is actually a widebody order soon, been promised for a long time.
Personally, I don't think there's any vindictiveness from Delta towards Boeing (like let's screw them over) it's just a business deal, and Delta's business deals involve getting airplanes at the absolute cheapest price possible. Simple as that. Delta's been cheap for a long time. It's built into the culture here. A famous Aviation Week article from the late 60s perhaps best made the point when it reported that Delta required employees to use pencils down to a length of 2 1/2 inches!
Let's hope there is actually a widebody order soon, been promised for a long time.
#1659
The table below summarizes the aircraft operated by regional carriers on our behalf at September 30, 2023. In the June 2023 quarter, we retired all remaining CRJ-200 aircraft from service.
Regional aircraft information by fleet type and carrier Fleet Type
Carrier CRJ-700 CRJ-900 Embraer 170 Embraer 175 Total
Endeavor Air, Inc. 18 123 — — 141
SkyWest Airlines, Inc. 6 39 — 83 128
Republic Airways, Inc. — — 11 46 57
Total 24 162 11 129 326
(1)Includes both active and temporarily parked aircraft. We own 205 and have operating leases for three of these regional aircraft. The remainder are owned or leased by SkyWest Airlines, Inc. or Republic Airways, Inc.
(2)Endeavor Air, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta.
Regional aircraft information by fleet type and carrier Fleet Type
Carrier CRJ-700 CRJ-900 Embraer 170 Embraer 175 Total
Endeavor Air, Inc. 18 123 — — 141
SkyWest Airlines, Inc. 6 39 — 83 128
Republic Airways, Inc. — — 11 46 57
Total 24 162 11 129 326
(1)Includes both active and temporarily parked aircraft. We own 205 and have operating leases for three of these regional aircraft. The remainder are owned or leased by SkyWest Airlines, Inc. or Republic Airways, Inc.
(2)Endeavor Air, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta.
#1660
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Boeing did offer 777-300's on a lease to bridge the time gap. We wanted them fast for the Shanghai hub before that deal vaporized almost overnight. Delta wanted 777-200LR's plus additional 767-400's. Boeing refused to build either one so Delta dialed 1800AIRBUS. Boeing was somewhat arrogant that only the 787 met Delta's needs long term needs.
The initial 350 order was specifically for the Shanghai hub.
The initial 350 order was specifically for the Shanghai hub.