A350-1000 and other Fleet News
10-24-2023, 02:08 PM
#1351
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Posts: 652
Apparently at the LCA meeting they told them they are going to place an A350 order soon, maybe by EOY
10-24-2023, 03:17 PM
#1354
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 350A
Posts: 426
No really guys let’s just focus on our that mythical-pretend 350k order. Any day now, we promise. In exchange you promise to not scrutinize the contract language so much…remember it really isn’t a thing until it goes to the arbitrator anyway.
And BTW “thanks for all you do.” (keep rowing)
And BTW “thanks for all you do.” (keep rowing)
10-24-2023, 04:41 PM
#1355
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,432
Just flat wrong.
As much as the “scary lady in RDU” narrative feels good to spread by those who would have never been satisfied, the reality is that the Delta pilots were about to get boned by APA, UAL, or even both prior to even getting the chance to exchange another proposal with Delta. UA had to pull their table position after the Delta AIP details were released. The APA president told the media they were demanding a 10/5/5 deal, made worse by the fact they were already behind our rates.
To me, those are the most compelling facts supporting the path the Delta MEC chose, which set the bar substantially higher than the entire industry was aiming for. Something about perfection being the enemy of really dang good.
And, according to a very credible source, the NC took until Thursday that week to even bring details of what the Company was offering across the street to the MEC, who had been in session anxiously awaiting a brief since Monday. If, as has been widely supposed, there was no negotiation that week and the MEC took the Company's one and only offer, exactly why did it take 4 days before the MEC got details?
The revisionist nonsense about the 7ER is just that. I don’t remember a single post, comm from the union, or widespread outcry about raising the 7ER pay rates until the “hey, how dare others get a better deal than me” crowd woke up from their minimum balance fantasy AFTER the agreement was made. ALPA made no secret that they were aiming to fix the 320/764/330 pay rates in this agreement and mentioned it several times in various negotiating updates. The 7ER was never mentioned, nor was there outcry resulting from such.
Those who will never be happy will always find things to try and justify their misery. So it goes.
As much as the “scary lady in RDU” narrative feels good to spread by those who would have never been satisfied, the reality is that the Delta pilots were about to get boned by APA, UAL, or even both prior to even getting the chance to exchange another proposal with Delta. UA had to pull their table position after the Delta AIP details were released. The APA president told the media they were demanding a 10/5/5 deal, made worse by the fact they were already behind our rates.
To me, those are the most compelling facts supporting the path the Delta MEC chose, which set the bar substantially higher than the entire industry was aiming for. Something about perfection being the enemy of really dang good.
And, according to a very credible source, the NC took until Thursday that week to even bring details of what the Company was offering across the street to the MEC, who had been in session anxiously awaiting a brief since Monday. If, as has been widely supposed, there was no negotiation that week and the MEC took the Company's one and only offer, exactly why did it take 4 days before the MEC got details?
The revisionist nonsense about the 7ER is just that. I don’t remember a single post, comm from the union, or widespread outcry about raising the 7ER pay rates until the “hey, how dare others get a better deal than me” crowd woke up from their minimum balance fantasy AFTER the agreement was made. ALPA made no secret that they were aiming to fix the 320/764/330 pay rates in this agreement and mentioned it several times in various negotiating updates. The 7ER was never mentioned, nor was there outcry resulting from such.
Those who will never be happy will always find things to try and justify their misery. So it goes.
Last edited by notEnuf; 10-24-2023 at 04:52 PM.
10-24-2023, 04:51 PM
#1356
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 330 B
Posts: 1,615
10-24-2023, 05:07 PM
#1359
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,786
Once again, she was a mediator, no matter how many times people pretend otherwise. And she did not shut down negotiations, nor dictate the deal. So quit saying she did. We had a choice between options, after negotiating 95% of the contract already.
10-24-2023, 05:08 PM
#1360
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,225
The bad lady actually scared them, it’s their coping mechanism.
