Mesabah

I would say yes to that, but I think emission regulations are going to come into play here shortly. RJs, and anything that isn't next gen is going to be axed.

gloopy

If banding dumps on whoever didn't get the biggest percentage raise, then what will we call LBP? Because no matter how its handled (a major detail its proponents don't really want to get into until after its agreed upon) then every pay category except one will also get "dumped on" by the same logic. If every category gets the same percentage raise so no one gets "dumped on" then it wouldn't be LBP anyway.

Also, many LBP proponents seem to think the yearly scale will go to 30 or 40+ years, thus giving them a "free" raise that they claim won't effect anyone in the 1-12 range. Free money for everyone and it won't even come out of any other area in the PWA, right?

For anyone in favor of LBP, its high time to post your proposed pay tables and compare yearly payroll costs to current book. Because everyone simply ain't getting current 350 pay years 1-12 plus yearly raises to 40. There's no free lunch in this; most pilots will get "dumped on" in this scenario. Change my mind.

firstmob

If we are not going to place a WB order in the near future why don't we pick up some slightly used A330-200/300s to tide us over?

NuclearFission

What is the timeframe for these new ADI’s to be installed on the 7ER (speed tape)? Keep hearing about the investments done and how much it costs, but haven’t seen a single one yet with the mod

Vsop

I don’t have and exact pay scale,but I am in favor of a 20 year scale with current year 12 matching the 20 year scale’s year 12. Quick math would have 20 year WBA ~$450, NBA ~$363, WBB ~$312, NBB ~$251

My view is that this longevity raise becomes a COLA raise for most of a pilot’s career. That’s a very nice thing during extended section 6 negotiations which I think will be the norm in future contracts. Yes payroll will cost more, and yes that cost will allow for less gains elsewhere. However, in my view the consistency of gaining a yearly raise has a lot of value. My view last year was I would have been willing to accept a lower percentage raise to increase the scale to 20 years. That will still be my viewpoint next time around.

edit added to clarify my viewpoint:

I view this as protecting ourselves from loosing leverage in a negotiation. We could go years past the amendable date again. We saw this time how high inflation had a major effect on our purchasing power. The pressure on our negotiating team by our members to achieve better purchasing power reduces our leverage (ie settle for less). The only way out of that box is to ensure small COLA raises. The best way is a perpetual raise of x%. The easier way is adding more years to our pay scale.

sailingfun

The company has plenty of wide bodies coming the next few years. They will get the next order placed in time to continue deliveries uninterrupted. I would actually bet money productions slots are already blocked by both Airbus and Boeing for a Delta order.

tcco94

The longer we wait the further back the order book gets on deliveries and the older 767’s get

Iceberg

Maybe I just misunderstood what your personal reasoning was for going after 320 pilots who are “constantly trying to direct networking” (roughly paraphrased) and trip or anyone else who says other planes will end up going where 757s have gone. My mistake. I guess you were just antagonizing because you felt like it.

Carry on.

sailingfun

Thats not really how it works. Delta puts out a RFP. The manufacturers put proposals together including delivery slots. Those slots are generally held until an order is placed. Both Boeing and Airbus also build white tails into their production schedules. Delta will get the jets when they want them. We could also probably triple A330-900 deliveries since it’s a unloved aircraft.

igotgummed

They’re only relevant when it comes to your retirement, right?