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Old 04-27-2022, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDog
If that flight pushed back with a single empty seat, revenue wasn't touched, regardless of the number of PSUPs. And the majority of PSUPs I see are DHs.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Positive space has been given for greenslips almost forever. Just ask if you need it.
Pre-ARCOS it was "let's make a deal" because when they called you had their attention before they assigned it to you. Now you have to accept it and then call them back and try and make a deal after its yours.

Semantics? Maybe, but what if they press to test one day? At the very least it would be nice to see a written policy on this.
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDog
If that flight pushed back with a single empty seat, revenue wasn't touched, regardless of the number of PSUPs. And the majority of PSUPs I see are DHs.
Somewhat true, what actually matters is if they turned away sales not the seat count at departure. Regardless the company will show up with numbers and the EF&A team can audit those numbers if they feel they are incorrect. I just looked at flt 526 for today which is a big commuter flight. 32 PSUP’s with 2 deadheading flight attendants. It would be interesting to see a breakdown on the percentage of flight attendants verses pilots since the flight attendants have no bearing on contract costs.

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Rumored that SWA is considering PS commuting. Most of my FO’s commute. The pot of available hires is shrinking. PS commuting is a HUGE incentive in your future employer decision.
Single income families are a thing of the past. Most new hires have a spouse that works. A move means they have to quit a job. Commute flexibility is of paramount importance to many airline jobseekers.

That and beards of course.
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Rumored that SWA is considering PS commuting. Most of my FO’s commute. The pot of available hires is shrinking. PS commuting is a HUGE incentive in your future employer decision.
Single income families are a thing of the past. Most new hires have a spouse that works. A move means they have to quit a job. Commute flexibility is of paramount importance to many airline jobseekers.

That and beards of course.
What's amazing to me is the huge positive DALPA did for the industry negotiating positive space commuting on company metal while we were losing millions a day even with Covid full flights. And here are guys bending over backwards to justify for the company to take it away.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Somewhat true, what actually matters is if they turned away sales not the seat count at departure. Regardless the company will show up with numbers and the EF&A team can audit those numbers if they feel they are incorrect. I just looked at flt 526 for today which is a big commuter flight. 32 PSUP’s with 2 deadheading flight attendants. It would be interesting to see a breakdown on the percentage of flight attendants verses pilots since the flight attendants have no bearing on contract costs.
How can you tell if a PSUP is a PSC, or a DH? Checking rotations in icrew?
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDog
How can you tell if a PSUP is a PSC, or a DH? Checking rotations in icrew?
Plug the flight number into the show pilots and show fight attendants in DBMS. It shows all working and DH crew.
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In all honesty PSC probably saves/makes me 10k or more over the year. How? Only 2 one day green slips and 2 two day white slips over the course of the year I wouldn’t otherwise take (or some other combination, It doesn’t take much).

Luckily, I live in a “drivable” area but with gas and a truck it’s around $100 round trip x 4 trips a month. It adds up looking at the big picture. And haven’t even started talking about stress relieving and less fatiguing It is to arrive just 1-2 hours prior to show.

As for a benefit to the company, I wouldn’t pick up any 1 or 2 days trips that sit in opentime or off the swap board anymore. The first item when considering a trip now is can I book myself to and from work? If not, then I’m not interested.

yes, this is a commuter standpoint.
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As a non-commuter I don't want my negotiating capital wasted on PS commuting.
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight
As a non-commuter I don't want my negotiating capital wasted on PS commuting.
I thought were part of a conversation union - for the greater good of the group and all. Since the majority of the pilots are commuters, seems it would be ok to work for the majority.
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