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Old 04-26-2022, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I suspect with the post covid loads it’s becoming a big cost items. It also appears to have had no effect on reliability and possibly a detriment however that is more due to the dropped requirement for a backup flight.
Can you support this with any further info? Because the word on the line is PSC has improved reliability overall due to fewer sick/UTC calls.
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Old 04-26-2022, 06:09 PM
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Can you support this with any further info? Because the word on the line is PSC has improved reliability overall due to fewer sick/UTC calls.
The word on the line is wishful thinking. If you look at the 14.K.4 data (search that on Deltanet) you can see that the sick usage was virtually identical in 2019 and 2021.
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Old 04-26-2022, 06:33 PM
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I could see how ending positive space would make commuters less likely to pick up green slips. If that's the case, it could translate to more possibilities for IAs and green slips with conflict.

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What's preposterous about this entire argument is that we virtually have it now. You miss that first commute flight, the company is going to positive space you anyway. Good luck getting a hold of scheduling to make that v happen though. The logic that commuting is a choice is a sophomoric argument at best. The entire industry is built on the acceptance of commuters. Has been forever, will be forever. For all of you "living in base guys" congrats... however it only takes one displacement bid, one closed base and boom, guess who's commuting. This idea is a win win for everyone. Right now, as I have seen, the massive over booking of flights are going to make commutes harder than ever in the very near future. I don't understand the logic of another pilot trying to rain on a fellow pilots good fortune. For those that say, yeah what about me, I'm getting nothing by living in base... enjoy being able to get the vast amount of green slips, paid for parking or any number of good deals not typically available to commuters because we don't live in base. Plus, if you're tired of paying crushing taxes living in base, let's say LA, move to Nevada and now commute in. The positive space commute is something everyone at one time or the other may and probably will benefit from.
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Old 04-26-2022, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
The word on the line is wishful thinking. If you look at the 14.K.4 data (search that on Deltanet) you can see that the sick usage was virtually identical in 2019 and 2021.

Personally I believe that’s a bad comparison as COVID has changed the mindset on calling in sick. I believe more people are willing to call in now then pre-COVID when they aren’t doing so hot.


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What's preposterous about this entire argument is that we virtually have it now. You miss that first commute flight, the company is going to positive space you anyway. Good luck getting a hold of scheduling to make that v happen though. The logic that commuting is a choice is a sophomoric argument at best. The entire industry is built on the acceptance of commuters. Has been forever, will be forever. For all of you "living in base guys" congrats... however it only takes one displacement bid, one closed base and boom, guess who's commuting. This idea is a win win for everyone. Right now, as I have seen, the massive over booking of flights are going to make commutes harder than ever in the very near future. I don't understand the logic of another pilot trying to rain on a fellow pilots good fortune. For those that say, yeah what about me, I'm getting nothing by living in base... enjoy being able to get the vast amount of green slips, paid for parking or any number of good deals not typically available to commuters because we don't live in base. Plus, if you're tired of paying crushing taxes living in base, let's say LA, move to Nevada and now commute in. The positive space commute is something everyone at one time or the other may and probably will benefit from.
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
The word on the line is wishful thinking. If you look at the 14.K.4 data (search that on Deltanet) you can see that the sick usage was virtually identical in 2019 and 2021.
I'm not sure why 1.) anyone would spend time in their looking at that data or 2.) why anyone even know that thing exists and 3.) why anyone would take the time to figure out what it all means but are you saying that essentially the overall sick use percentage was the same in 2019 as it was in 2021? And the percentage number means what? The total amount of sick time used divided by the number of pilotst? Is it adjusted at all for amount of sick time accrued? And the company was somehow looking for a decrease in sick usage to justify continuing PS?
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Originally Posted by bode
Do you have statistics to back up the “no effect on reliability”?


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No, but as I posted earlier Delta has had some real issues with no shows they did not have in the past. You can be sure the company will have all the numbers at the negotiating table.
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
The positive space commute is something everyone at one time or the other may and probably will benefit from.
Non-commuter here (presently). I’ve saved about a grand with this PS policy myself, by not having to buy a ticket for personal travel. Jump seats have been reliably wide open all the way to the 1.5 day prior window for booking personal travel use.
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I could see how ending positive space would make commuters less likely to pick up green slips. If that's the case, it could translate to more possibilities for IAs and green slips with conflict.

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Positive space has been given for greenslips almost forever. Just ask if you need it.
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