CBreezy

One note: Endeavor PSC is directly tied to ours via a literal "Me too'

sailingfun

I am not against positive space. As a lifelong commuter I love it. I just find some of the arguments inane like someone posting having less seats to sell made the company more money. Even the fatigue arguments are hollow. I always found getting in to the airport early and grabbing a nice nap was as rested as I could be. The most fatigued commuters I see do stupid things like getting up at 3 or 4 am to avoid commuting in the night before. PS encourages pilots to do just that. You even see pilots flying all nighters in from the west coast. Before for early departures you came in the night before and got a full nights sleep. It’s interesting with 3 and 4 man crews how pilots often coming from the same places or proximate locations make vastly different decisions on how to commute. Live in FL with a 6PM report and severe afternoon thunderstorms forecast? One guy catches a 10am flight and grabs a day room or naps in the quiet room. Another takes the 3 PM flight, gets a 3 hour delay for ATC with the storms. This delays the departure several hours. This Results in a far more fatigued crew leaving and arriving late. It also makes for a ****ed off copilot when they both commute out of Tampa or Orlando. I get that some of you feel it’s the companies obligation to get you to work regardless of where you want to live and you have a god given right to show up 10 minutes before report and zero obligation to consider weather or other factors. Fortunately those types are a small minority.

If we retain positive space I suspect it will be for one reason. As the pilot market gets tighter it’s a excellent tie breaker for pilots trying to decide which airline offer to take. I know several guys who were locked into UAL when the rumor was out they got positive space in the TA. When that turned out false they switched to Delta. Just had lunch with one in training. If any of the majors get PS locked into a contract I suspect all the others will quickly fall into line and offer it. To not do so is going to reduce the quality of applicants you can hire. If I worked in pilot recruitment I would be telling senior management this is a tool we need! That’s also how you explain it to the flight attendants if you exclude them. The shortage of pilots demands it as a perk for recruitment to get the best pilots. There is no shortage of flight attendant applicants nor will there ever be a shortage.

DWC CAP10 USAF

I'm will be using this as my response when asked...I will give you credit by whispering "trademark HeavyDriver" at the end of my statement.

Jdub2

I’d bet there was an improvement in reliability, but it was masked but the large decrease in operational performance. How bad would reliability have suffered if we didn’t have PSC through those weekends of massive cancellations?

sailingfun

Not a bit as the pilots would have all been PS in the same flights anyway. They are smart enough to look at other variables in the commuting equation.

notEnuf

Even if there is valid data a comparison can not be made. If PSC was a thing prior to covid, and during covid, you could compare or if there was no PSC during covid you could compare the time periods. The is no control in the experiment, it's apples and oranges. They will state and argue to points that support their position. The fact that they are coloring it as a net negative makes me think it's not and they want to exploit it in negotiations.

edit: by they, I mean management or not management lifetime commuters who have intimate knowledge of all data on all subjects posted on APC and don't work on the 4th floor but keep hearing from friends that... but are definitely not management, nor have they ever been.

Breadcream

Guys, guys, guys…it’s not worth discussing any further. I heard it from Top Men today, PS is getting extended another 50 years.

Go argue about something else.

Shut down the thread.

Case closed. Period. Dot.

gloopy

True...if they got there to try the earlier flight (on average several hours earlier). Plus the "seats available 24 hours prior" part. So that may have required several backups.

The one flight requirement is very reasonable IMO. The complete lack of when you have to be there when planning on just one flight is at the moment unreasonable IMO. Its funny that its become an embedded entitlement wrapped up in something that's not an entitlement at all because we don't "own" it. Yet. Any scheduled arrival time requirement will be met with howls of righteous indignation from anyone one minute on the other side of whatever line it is. While I get that, not having any requirement is likely one of, if not the, biggest reasons it might not be renewed or codified in the PWA.

Contracts and career earnings and total QOL for all are fine, but tiny little gems of a "good deal" in theory are so emotionally addicting they can cloud our judgement at times. It is what it is I guess.

Vsop

I know paying for PS is not popular, but I think I found something I’m willing to sell to get it.
I am willing to allow the company to PROFER in seniority order a PS commuter the jumpseat if the flight is in an oversold situation. If the commuting pilot takes a jumpseat, they shall receive money/pay no credit. Let’s say $500 for DALFA .

That way the company doesn’t have to pay $10,000 to a passenger. Win/win

Planetrain

…indexed for inflation! Have we learned nothing?

or an XBOX/PS”n”