fishforfun

Ok, I’ll bite. Please explain how reliability in commuting has decreased with PSC, with verifiable data.

Serious question. What has made you so quick to blame the entire pilot group for the actions of a few?

Serious question 2. Do you realize you use the exact talking points of the company and sound like a lower level manager for the company?

sailingfun

Stated by the company in the last town hall. Around the 50 minute pointif I recall with PB talking. I guess your saying he is lying. I also know that they have had a higher rate of no shows from a friend who is a crew scheduler. Others posted that on here when we had this discussion a few weeks ago. I find it hard to believe someone can argue with a straight face that 2 flights with positive space on the back up is not going to show a improvement over making that backup your primary. Never held a company job.

fishforfun

How about some context. You’re saying a higher rate of no shows because of positive space?

And yes, I do believe they lie.

jaxsurf

During the ATL road show they talked about how they had decreased reliability with the current PSC. Non-management will never know for sure (because we don’t own the data), and the company ain’t saying, except that it was bad, so there’s no point in arguing about it. I would posit that the decreased reliability was mostly due to the unreliability of the operation in general, but management would never admit that. Just like they’d never admit that they are responsible for the lack of staffing and associated unreliability of the operation.

A couple people (maybe just one, I can’t remember) stood up and made dumb emotional arguments like PSC gives them peace of mind, which was pathetic.

With a few reasonable constraints, 95% of the buffoonery would be prevented and PSC would work great.

I think they want us to bargain for it, which gets us to give something up, and allows them to keep it for the FAs. Win win for them, if they actually want to keep it. Otherwise they gotta ditch PSC for the FAs, which might not go over well.

CBreezy

I believe that reliability is worse since PSC but only because company reliability is abysmal. When I show up for my commute and it was only just then delayed 3 hours, yeah, I'm going to miss. The only real metric would be to measure miscommutes on CF:100% and D0: 80% days.

jaxsurf

Agreed. But the company will never produce that data because they want us to think they don’t really want it, and therefore we need to give something up to get it.

hvydvr

FA was asking about our contract today. She asked if we were negotiating for PSC. I told her “God I hope not. Why would the pilots have to pay for everyone’s commute? If the company wants it, they can figure it out. Our union has bigger fish to fry.” She actually nodded and said “We probably need a union.” Probably so.

frozentundra

More like the actions of a few making poor staffing decisions impact those who are just working for a living.

Nantonaku

The PSC policy allows for pilots to show up to work better rested in most cases because you aren’t spending three hours sitting in an airport before show. People show up to work expecting to fly the the pairing they were assigned. Commuting in three hours early and then being told once you get to work you have two extra legs and 3 extra hours of flying is an easy fatigue call. Any extension is an easy no. The company needs to improve all areas of our QOL. PSC is one easy improvement they can provide. Not continuing it or agreeing to some improvements in the commuting policy is a bad move by the company. Curious how they are going to continue it for the regional partners but tell us it isn’t viable. Opinions such as Sailings are out dated. The industry is changing. We have bases in some of the most expensive cities in the world. The company can afford 4 positive space commutes a month to keep the operation moving. They can also afford once a year vacation passes.

ancman

Without PS, the commuting policy in our PWA is the worst in the industry (i.e. 2 flights required, separated by at least 2 hours, with availability 24 hours prior, and potential disciplinary action for “overuse”). The FOM UTC policy helps, but only if your backup flight happens to be on Delta. And even that contains a lot of odd “use this sparingly throughout your entire career” language.

It’s easy to see how jumping straight from the worst, most stringent commuting policy in the industry to the best (one flight, PS) can have a slight impact on our reliability. That’s the cost of doing business. It’s no different from the reliability hit created by the excessive deadheading seen in many of our bid packages. Pilots have an incentive to be responsible commuters. We lose pay if we’re not. We don’t need overly-stringent policies on top of that.

We’re too far behind the rest of the industry here. AA’s policy is one flight, on any airline, with no backup or previous availability required. SWA’s is one flight if the flight is on company metal and arrives at least one hour prior to check-in.

I’m an easy no vote to any TA that doesn’t include PS and also does nothing to address our current PWA commuter policy. It’s time to stop trailing the industry in this section.