Positive space commuting
07-09-2022, 05:17 AM
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I think it was very effective as an incentive for commuters to pick up green slips, as others have mentioned previously. If NB staffing returns to some semblance of normalcy like 2018 or even 2019, then the utility of PSC for the company diminishes. If the NB manning continues to be the feces show it has been, then I predict the company will unilaterally offer to extend it as is, or with a to-work provision. Regardless, I hope the union won't "buy" it from the company.
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07-09-2022, 05:52 AM
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Same as above.
07-09-2022, 05:55 AM
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The company has been able to see how PS works for a long time now and compare it to 2018 and 2019. I know some keep trying to spin it as a no cost item but the company is blocking thousands of seats they can’t sell and saw zero benefit in reliability with the reality a decrease. I posted on here that pilots still needed to make some effort to get to work despite positive space and was heavily criticized for it. We needed to show the company there was some value in it but instead we showed them the opposite. The one thing mentioned was that they recognize that it reduces pilot stress. I suspect we might keep some form of PS to work only with a requirement to arrive with a buffer. Had we shown how effective it could have been for the operation we could have done better. Once again the actions of a few in making poor commuting decisions impact those who were doing the right thing in the use of PS.
I know why and it’s no secret. If the company cancel flights and it’s running redline, pilots/FAs won’t make it to work because the whole network is a mess! I was PSC once with over 2hrs of wiggle room for my sign in…I did not made it to work do to a delayed flight and ATC.
Commuting this last couple of weeks, my flights have been full of FAs on seats. While there’s only 2 or 3 pilots commuting, I’ve seen up to 8 FAs lining up for their seats. FAs should’ve never been part of the PSC, again a few screws it up for everybody else.
They can take it away, I can see the FAs complaining about it.
07-09-2022, 06:50 AM
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That’s exactly what they’ll do. Then the company will try to blame the pilots and “their union” for PS commuting going away for the FAs.
07-09-2022, 07:09 AM
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07-09-2022, 07:20 AM
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The company has been able to see how PS works for a long time now and compare it to 2018 and 2019. I know some keep trying to spin it as a no cost item but the company is blocking thousands of seats they can’t sell and saw zero benefit in reliability with the reality a decrease. I posted on here that pilots still needed to make some effort to get to work despite positive space and was heavily criticized for it. We needed to show the company there was some value in it but instead we showed them the opposite. The one thing mentioned was that they recognize that it reduces pilot stress. I suspect we might keep some form of PS to work only with a requirement to arrive with a buffer. Had we shown how effective it could have been for the operation we could have done better. Once again the actions of a few in making poor commuting decisions impact those who were doing the right thing in the use of PS.
I suspect you are right, that IF it’s included, it will be with a buffer. Which makes their “lack of reliability “ compared to 2018/19 assessment totally invalid.
07-09-2022, 07:35 AM
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Due to my city pair (a 200-mile flight that had flights every 30 min, yes 20 years ago) that has 3 flights a day only on other airlines, I book PS on a two leg, two 1+30 flights to travel the short journey. I don't like it, but it is a great piece of mind. Being a 25-year commuter, PS to work is great. Going home, I'm in the mindset that I get there when I get there. I love the PS commuting policy. Not going to "pay" the company for the privilege. If I can’t get to work, it just makes me sick.
07-09-2022, 12:22 PM
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Commuting this last couple of weeks, my flights have been full of FAs on seats. While there’s only 2 or 3 pilots commuting, I’ve seen up to 8 FAs lining up for their seats. FAs should’ve never been part of the PSC, again a few screws it up for everybody else.
They can take it away, I can see the FAs complaining about it.
They can take it away, I can see the FAs complaining about it.
A majority of unscheduled absences are FMLA calls for in-inflight. If FAs can’t commute in they’ll just call-in FMLA and flight attendant staffing is almost as bad as pilot staffing so…
07-09-2022, 01:57 PM
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The company has been able to see how PS works for a long time now and compare it to 2018 and 2019. I know some keep trying to spin it as a no cost item but the company is blocking thousands of seats they can’t sell and saw zero benefit in reliability with the reality a decrease. I posted on here that pilots still needed to make some effort to get to work despite positive space and was heavily criticized for it. We needed to show the company there was some value in it but instead we showed them the opposite. The one thing mentioned was that they recognize that it reduces pilot stress. I suspect we might keep some form of PS to work only with a requirement to arrive with a buffer. Had we shown how effective it could have been for the operation we could have done better. Once again the actions of a few in making poor commuting decisions impact those who were doing the right thing in the use of PS.
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