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Old 04-29-2022, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ebl14
I got the impression a lot of commuters do not use a backup, even before psc.
True, as I posted before it’s a minority who cause problems for the rest. Most pilots commute responsibly. A few choose not to do so and all of us pay the price.
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
I know multiple people who moved under PSC and even bid ridiculously low NB- A positions with the hopes PSC would stay. So far it has paid off for them OOBWS ATL.
You know a lot of people who choose to move because of a temporary LOA with a hard end date during a unprecedented time in this industry?
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Old 04-29-2022, 05:05 AM
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I’ve been using a backup most of the time anyways during this PSC period because frankly I just don’t trust our operation like I used to. The flights used to go like clockwork and it seems operational performance has taken a backseat to a myriad of other issues. So the only change I see in my particular situation with PSC going away is having to sit in a JS or middle seat going to work rather than an aisle seat. For that, I’m not sure how much, if any, negotiating capital should be spent on retaining PSC. I’d rather the FAs fight the fight and ride their coattails.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You know a lot of people who choose to move because of a temporary LOA with a hard end date during a unprecedented time in this industry?
You didn’t expect them to wait until retirement to migrate to Bozeman did you?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
True, as I posted before it’s a minority who cause problems for the rest. Most pilots commute responsibly. A few choose not to do so and all of us pay the price.
ding ding ding…I had a chat with someone in the CPO this past week and with the recent on time reliability issues, they are seeing an uptick in pilots not showing up at report due to their one missed/late PS commute. They also said they fully expect the policy to expire in October for all employees…
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Old 04-30-2022, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
ding ding ding…I had a chat with someone in the CPO this past week and with the recent on time reliability issues, they are seeing an uptick in pilots not showing up at report due to their one missed/late PS commute. They also said they fully expect the policy to expire in October for all employees…
Yep, and everyone who commutes remember this when PS is gone. It was a very few of us who screwed everyone else over. Don't be that guy/gal.

Having said that, I still think there is a deal that could be made on PS - despite their public pronouncements. But I add to those calling for no capital to be expended on it.
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Old 04-30-2022, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
ding ding ding…I had a chat with someone in the CPO this past week and with the recent on time reliability issues, they are seeing an uptick in pilots not showing up at report due to their one missed/late PS commute. They also said they fully expect the policy to expire in October for all employees…
Is this due to pilots commuting "irresponsibly" or Delta's operation breaking down a bit? If a pilot books his PS commute per the current language and that flight is delayed due to "lack of coverage" (my last two trips I've been rerouted for that exact reason, even stated on my rotation) is that really the pilot's fault?

I think you and Sailing are perhaps talking about two different things. He was (I think) talking about guys who didn't book a backup flight before PSC, when it was clearly required. 10 years ago we had a jump seater doing that, and we almost had to divert to HSV due to thunderstorms. Luckily we didn't have to divert and he called scheduling (pre miCrew) as soon as we landed to sign in 5 minutes late. He was going to Europe! He plainly stated that he just didn't like the backup requirement because it took too much time out of his day, so he didn't do it. THAT'S irresponsible commuting.

However that same pilot booking PS per our current LOA would be within the letter and spirit of the agreement. It all has to do with abiding by the rules in place.
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Old 04-30-2022, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
ding ding ding…I had a chat with someone in the CPO this past week and with the recent on time reliability issues, they are seeing an uptick in pilots not showing up at report due to their one missed/late PS commute. They also said they fully expect the policy to expire in October for all employees…
It's very convenient for the CPO to point out the very few times it's happened in the last few months especially after several operational meltdowns. I don't trust a word out of those yes mens' mouths.
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It's very convenient for the CPO to point out the very few times it's happened in the last few months especially after several operational meltdowns. I don't trust a word out of those yes mens' mouths.

They do have a penchant for pointing out the actions of the < 1% that "ruin it for us all..." A few years back, a particular someone had a crusade against the mil pilots for the same < 1%. It's a trend item...
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In the end commuting is simple. You should feel a obligation to show up for work. If the weather is forecast to suck you go sooner. If it’s nice you go later. If loads are high you go sooner. If loads are good you go later. You should also show up rested. Starting at 3AM to commute for a 5 pm departure to Moscow is not smart,
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