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Old 04-14-2022, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
I think it is because of lower pay. more legs per day, and the 717 was scheduled for retirement. Also, it is just a glorified regional jet and some pilots don't want to say, I fly the 717...
people are nerds, the 717 is a cool jet!
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Old 04-14-2022, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexander12
people are nerds, the 717 is a cool jet!
Eyebrow windows, cool. T-tail, cool. No tail stairs? That’s a no from me dog, or in this plane’s case, puppy.
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Old 04-14-2022, 10:10 AM
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717 gets a bad rap…usually from people who’ve never flown it. It’s a good plane, and it’s hard to find a better place to get senior quick.
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Old 04-14-2022, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2
what do y’all think about nyc 73 vs 220? Are the trips substantially better neodd?
The junior NYC 73 captain was hired 5 months ago. That should tell you how much people value their seniority on the 73 compared to hourly rate. I haven’t looked much at 73 trips but I have to imagine they are crap for captain to go that low. If the junior trips were great, more senior people would have jumped all over that upgrade.

220 is much more commutable than other options. And contrary to popular belief, we don’t currently fly it like the 717 or the mad dog. It’s got legs. It averages fewer legs per day than the 320. And it’s well staffed so reserve coverage is over 100% every day this month, meaning you can swap reserve days off, drop reserve days, swap and drop trips, etc. 320 and 73N are both crap coverage, can’t swap or drop anything except if it’s in the company’s favor.

This is all obviously subject to change. But I’m keeping my eye on the 220.
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Old 04-14-2022, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by neodd
The junior NYC 73 captain was hired 5 months ago. That should tell you how much people value their seniority on the 73 compared to hourly rate. I haven’t looked much at 73 trips but I have to imagine they are crap for captain to go that low. If the junior trips were great, more senior people would have jumped all over that upgrade.

220 is much more commutable than other options. And contrary to popular belief, we don’t currently fly it like the 717 or the mad dog. It’s got legs. It averages fewer legs per day than the 320. And it’s well staffed so reserve coverage is over 100% every day this month, meaning you can swap reserve days off, drop reserve days, swap and drop trips, etc. 320 and 73N are both crap coverage, can’t swap or drop anything except if it’s in the company’s favor.

This is all obviously subject to change. But I’m keeping my eye on the 220.
NYC 73 B was fat on peeps and had positive reserve coverage from october’ish last year until March. April was first month the matrix was negative even before first PCS run.
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Old 04-15-2022, 01:10 AM
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NYC 73 B was fat on peeps and had positive reserve coverage from october’ish last year until March. April was first month the matrix was negative even before first PCS run.
That’s good to know. It may just be due to the AE cycle as people bid out of NY and get back filled. Or network scheduled too many trips in April. That being said, NYC 220 stayed blue in April so that counts for something.
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Old 04-15-2022, 04:26 AM
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Is there some restriction on how long a trip OE planners are allowed to build for OE. A friend of mine just got a 9 day trip (2 domestic days followed by a 7 day TOE) built to complete OE. It’s two separate out of base trips put together to create one long one. Lots of wasted time in there. This is on the 7ER. Ironically over 9 days they will have gotten only 4 landings in the 76. All of which will have been red eyes.
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Old 04-15-2022, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by neodd
That’s good to know. It may just be due to the AE cycle as people bid out of NY and get back filled. Or network scheduled too many trips in April. That being said, NYC 220 stayed blue in April so that counts for something.
NYC73NB had 300 people in March…138 in April. The entire October AE got moved at one time and some of the Feb AE with them. I can imagine the NYC 73N and 320 B lists having this boom/bust cycle indefinitely or at least until we hire enough people that want to stay longer on NYC than 3 months.
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Old 04-15-2022, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddoggin
Is there some restriction on how long a trip OE planners are allowed to build for OE. A friend of mine just got a 9 day trip (2 domestic days followed by a 7 day TOE) built to complete OE. It’s two separate out of base trips put together to create one long one. Lots of wasted time in there. This is on the 7ER. Ironically over 9 days they will have gotten only 4 landings in the 76. All of which will have been red eyes.
No restrictions as long as it does not violate 117. And and 4 landings in the 76 is all that’s required from what I’ve heard from a buddy on the fleet. He had some weird stuff in his OE/TOE in Feb (not sure how much that differs if it’s IOE).
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Old 04-15-2022, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
No restrictions as long as it does not violate 117. And and 4 landings in the 76 is all that’s required from what I’ve heard from a buddy on the fleet. He had some weird stuff in his OE/TOE in Feb (not sure how much that differs if it’s IOE).
Six legs and four landings for IOE is all that is needed.
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