Gone Flying

there is a smart sheet to fill out to request LMS learning ( I think it under your specific fleet, training section)

They got me my courses the next day

sailingfun

The standard gouge for a good airline career was always 12 years to make CA, 18 years for Widebody CA and 20 Years for Widebody international. 10 years at our most senior base is actually pretty good but off the top of my head it’s less than that on the last few bids.

Margaritaville

I have no idea what you're replying to because I have no reason to read this thread but this comment jumped out at me and I want to point out what an anachronism you are. I get you're an old fart and your career is behind you and you think you have a lot to offer us "kids" (I'm in my 50s) but 100% of your thoughts are rooted in the airline industry of the 80s and 90s. Listening to you talk is like watching back to the future in the 50s. Your own company has CAs with less than 3 years with the company even on the 717 in ATL and I hear my buddies say all the time that 330 CA is going to come down to 10 years soon. Pretty sure 767 is already less than that. Yet here you sit and tell us about the industry of the 80s. Shut up. Stop trying to lower everyone expectations. Quit being a management toadie and go fishing.

sailingfun

Man I bet you are a joy to be around!

Hawaii50

Hey Sailing, you've posted a ton of good stuff here over the years. Ignore the haters. Especially the ones that work somewhere else.

Sputnik

Disagree.

Don't always agree but always appreciate the insights and the manner in which he presents them.

Nantonaku

Definitely appreciate his posts. I question his motives and think he is wrong about 75% of the time but I still value the posts and read them and take them seriously.

Gone Flying

So I will need some help here because I obviously was not around for the past 30+ years, but with the exception of 2000-2001 hires, couldn’t most pilots at DL hold CA by the 12 year mark? Airlinefiles.com has a jr CA snapshot going all the way back to 2005 and it is usually under 10 years (again excluding those hired from 2000-2001, which by any objective standard probably had the worst career trajectory and seniority progression of any pilots at DL hired after deregulation)

historically speaking, hasn’t jr CA typically been around 60-65% systemwide seniority? I wonder what keeps causing it to drop to pilots with 90% company seniority recently?

18 years to WB CA is probably not going to happen for most at DL. Im projected to be in the seniority range of WB CA plug around the 25 year mark and would be thrilled if that ends up happening.

for someone hired today it will take closer to 27-28 years to hit that number.

Baradium

By your numbers it's obvious you are in the "767 isn't a widebody unless it has -400 at the end" crowd, but the 767s are slated to replaced by 330s, which will add a significant number of seats.

Gone Flying

i was thinking WB pay but yeah I tend to exclude the ER from WB calculations because

1) it’s going away and
2) it pays pretty close to a 737

I think you are right that the total number of WB paying positions will increase as we add 330s and 350s

i was using 2500-3000 as what is needed to hold a WB reliably we will see how that number changes as our fleet changes