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10-22-2024, 10:48 AM

#6621

Hotel Kilo

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

You can. Only nonrev is restricted. FCFL is a paid ticket with all the protections

Yup, I was curious if the Platinum visits were limited to X for a given period

10-22-2024, 02:08 PM

#6622

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Originally Posted by CX500T

Time to avoid LGA for a week. As if traffic on the Deegan and Harlem River Drive ain't bad enough normally.

Every day that ends in "y" is a good time to avoid NYC traffic.

(See also: ATL, LAX, ORD, MIA, PHL.....)

10-23-2024, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

repositioning the jetway or operating belt loaders isn’t disallowed in our manuals either

Okay? I wasn't told to do those things during training; on the other hand, I was shown how to turn the ground air off during OE and it's a common practice in my fleet. If it's truly not allowed there would be more than just an obscure line in one base newsletter without any reference.

10-23-2024, 10:01 AM

#6624

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Originally Posted by myrkridia

I do it, but in all honesty it probably isn't a smart thing to do seeing as we've never been trained on it. And if our rampers were unionized, I definitely wouldn't do it.

10-23-2024, 10:07 AM

#6625

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Originally Posted by myrkridia

check pilots are not trained on ground equipment and ramp ops, either.

“my manual doesn’t say i can’t” and “everybody does it anyway” is really weak justification for almost anything

10-23-2024, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

check pilots are not trained on ground equipment and ramp ops, either.

“my manual doesn’t say i can’t” and “everybody does it anyway” is really weak justification for almost anything

What are we arguing exactly? If the CPO called me in and told me to stop doing it, I'd simply ask where it says it's not allowed and inform them I was trained during OE to push the big OFF button if the situation arises. If they failed to give me a reason, I'd probably stop doing it but also file an FCR and reach out to ALPA saying that this is a common unofficial practice on the line. "Everybody does it anyway" is a bad excuse for techniques that are explicitly forbidden, but if you are trying to enforce a breach of procedure the onous is on you to tell me why it's unsafe or where it isn't allowed.

I'll also add that if I'm ever in the slightest doubt that the button I'm pushing isn't the air (since they sometimes vary from one station to another) I just ask the ground crew to do it, or call ops.

10-23-2024, 10:56 AM

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"Ops, can you turn off air at A69?"

Back to pilot shizzz.

10-23-2024, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

"Ops, can you turn off air at A69?"

Back to pilot shizzz.

Followed by :

(20 minutes later, as the Pushback Checklist is about to be read) "Captain, can we remove power and air?"

10-23-2024, 08:14 PM

#6629

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Followed by :

(20 minutes later, as the Pushback Checklist is about to be read) "Captain, can we remove power and air?"

Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that! I remember getting line checked once and I asked the FO if he had the ops frequency handy. The LCA interjected: “You mean the placebo frequency?”

10-23-2024, 11:17 PM

#6630

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Originally Posted by myrkridia

I'm not sure which side of this argument I'm on, but with this whole "If it doesn't say I can't do it then I can" vs "If it doesn't say I can do it then I can't" thing, it's no wonder Delta's manuals are 8 times larger than anyone else's. They have to cover every conceivable situation and button at the airport just to say whether we're allowed to do something or not.