Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
10-20-2024, 06:01 PM
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10-20-2024, 06:22 PM
#6573
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I’ve never seen that from any of the captains I’ve flown with. Those guys must be few and far between.
Re: the 7ER and AC, it’s easy to forget after being asked. The cabin temp gauges are notoriously unreliable, so we honestly have no clue unless told (You can make reasonable guesses during the summer)
I try and remember to start the APU when boarding starts, but after it comes online, it’s easy to forget to disconnect the ground power and set up the bleed panel to turn on the air. You can’t hear it, there isn’t a obvious light telling you it’s on, there’s no indication on the EICAS display (unless you have the status page up), etc.
Point is, I haven’t flown with a single captain from any base on either of the fleets I’ve been on who’ve intentially not started the APU for air if the cabin is hot.
Re: the 7ER and AC, it’s easy to forget after being asked. The cabin temp gauges are notoriously unreliable, so we honestly have no clue unless told (You can make reasonable guesses during the summer)
I try and remember to start the APU when boarding starts, but after it comes online, it’s easy to forget to disconnect the ground power and set up the bleed panel to turn on the air. You can’t hear it, there isn’t a obvious light telling you it’s on, there’s no indication on the EICAS display (unless you have the status page up), etc.
Point is, I haven’t flown with a single captain from any base on either of the fleets I’ve been on who’ve intentially not started the APU for air if the cabin is hot.
10-21-2024, 06:10 AM
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That is because not only is it a stupid limitation (literally 99.9% of the time I see the APU running with the yellow hose hooked up--no issues as far as I know) but it is very unintuitive to follow, mainly because from the cockpit of a 321 (and a 330, the plane I'm now flying), you cannot see the yellow hose at all, thus you often don't know if it is even hooked up to begin with.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
10-21-2024, 07:01 AM
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That is because not only is it a stupid limitation (literally 99.9% of the time I see the APU running with the yellow hose hooked up--no issues as far as I know) but it is very unintuitive to follow, mainly because from the cockpit of a 321 (and a 330, the plane I'm now flying), you cannot see the yellow hose at all, thus you often don't know if it is even hooked up to begin with.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
10-21-2024, 07:17 AM
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10-21-2024, 07:21 AM
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That is because not only is it a stupid limitation (literally 99.9% of the time I see the APU running with the yellow hose hooked up--no issues as far as I know) but it is very unintuitive to follow, mainly because from the cockpit of a 321 (and a 330, the plane I'm now flying), you cannot see the yellow hose at all, thus you often don't know if it is even hooked up to begin with.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
10-21-2024, 07:22 AM
#6579
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That is because not only is it a stupid limitation (literally 99.9% of the time I see the APU running with the yellow hose hooked up--no issues as far as I know) but it is very unintuitive to follow, mainly because from the cockpit of a 321 (and a 330, the plane I'm now flying), you cannot see the yellow hose at all, thus you often don't know if it is even hooked up to begin with.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
So, on a hot summer day, full flight, upon arrival at the gate, are you or anyone else going to have the APU running (as you should) but the bleeds NOT on, because the ramp crew might hook up the yellow hose with packs running? And then, "oh no, we've violated a Vol 1 limitation!"
Have you ever--ever?--had a ramp crew call the cockpit after gate arrival, saying "hey, we've got the yellow hose hooked up, can you confirm bleeds off so we can turn it on?"
The answer to both those questions is of course "no."
Until management makes it priority to educate both ground and flight crews, so as to coordinate these things, that Vol 1 rule/limitation is worthless. It is unfair to all concerned for Airbus and the fleet teams to say "here's a restriction" and then do absolutely NOTHING to facilitate the actual workers to abide by it.
10-21-2024, 07:33 AM
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