Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
09-30-2024, 11:28 AM
#6341
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 717
Ya, it's an unfortunate byproduct of our new contract. The last time to WS via PCS is 0700, two days prior, after that WS are processed manually. But SWP will be processed via PCS until 0700 the day prior. Crappy if you're those of us shed our schedule then WS better trips, but a positive for those who can't/won't drop their schedule and have to count on SWP.
09-30-2024, 04:56 PM
#6342
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 300
Ya, it's an unfortunate byproduct of our new contract. The last time to WS via PCS is 0700, two days prior, after that WS are processed manually. But SWP will be processed via PCS until 0700 the day prior. Crappy if you're those of us shed our schedule then WS better trips, but a positive for those who can't/won't drop their schedule and have to count on SWP.
09-30-2024, 05:17 PM
#6343
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,032
I don't WS trips very often. I just tried to WS a trip on the noon run that instead went to a pilot junior to me in a swap with the pot award. When I checked my WS it said "Does not meet contractual time limits". The trip signs in 2 days out. I thought even inside of the 2nd day 0700E PCS run you could still be awarded a WS? What glaringly obvious thing am I missing? TIA
09-30-2024, 05:18 PM
#6344
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,560
I thought that once a trip pops into open time <2 days out, it immediately starts manual coverage, which is why I've been told to do a blanket WS for <2 days instead of waiting to WS a specific trip when it pops up? Am I mistaken, and there is still frequently time to slip in a swap with the pot for a <2 days out trip?
23M says:
2. Second-day open time will be awarded/assigned each day during the period 0800 through 2400 (pilot’s base time).
3. Same-day, next-day open time will be sequenced for award/assignment as it becomes known to Crew Scheduling
09-30-2024, 05:49 PM
#6345
Moderator
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,857
I thought that once a trip pops into open time <2 days out, it immediately starts manual coverage, which is why I've been told to do a blanket WS for <2 days instead of waiting to WS a specific trip when it pops up? Am I mistaken, and there is still frequently time to slip in a swap with the pot for a <2 days out trip?
Yes a swap can still trigger, it happens all the time. It appears to be left to scheduler discretion when they start manual coverage. If they don't start manual coverage, and you happen to hit a PCS, a SWP will process but not a PW. What you're doing is still a good technique, but there are just just times that you could lose out to a junior pilot with a SWP, which is my only heartburn with this setup.
09-30-2024, 06:05 PM
#6346
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,090
These last few posts remind of something I was thinking about the other day…
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
09-30-2024, 06:33 PM
#6347
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 955
Yes a swap can still trigger, it happens all the time. It appears to be left to scheduler discretion when they start manual coverage. If they don't start manual coverage, and you happen to hit a PCS, a SWP will process but not a PW. What you're doing is still a good technique, but there are just just times that you could lose out to a junior pilot with a SWP, which is my only heartburn with this setup.
09-30-2024, 06:44 PM
#6348
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 955
I thought that once a trip pops into open time <2 days out, it immediately starts manual coverage, which is why I've been told to do a blanket WS for <2 days instead of waiting to WS a specific trip when it pops up? Am I mistaken, and there is still frequently time to slip in a swap with the pot for a <2 days out trip?
After that, there are tons of other factors — how busy is CS at the moment, how far down the coverage ladder do they need to go to cover the trip, how many pilots have blanket slips in, how many of those blanket slips are “Auto Accept On, Auto Ack Off”. Those factors all slow coverage, buying you more time to be able to swap during the next PCS run.
09-30-2024, 09:04 PM
#6349
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Big ones
Posts: 792
These last few posts remind of something I was thinking about the other day…
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
10-01-2024, 03:22 AM
#6350
Moderator
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,857
These last few posts remind of something I was thinking about the other day…
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
As someone who dumps their whole schedule and WSs easy trips; it seems there are wayyyyy less easy 1 day turns that get broken off of trips.
In the days before 2nd day coverage, it seemed they would break off an easy turn at the start of a 3 day, then give the remaining 3 day to a reserve since it would have to show after 1000am.
seems like way less of that now
You're not imagining things, I'm seeing the same thing. Schedulers are getting way more crafty at how they break up trips, often making them crappier trips, though sometimes it makes the trips worth a lot more, it's just more work. But I think the big reason is that there are more people available on reserve due to fewer PB days. This is likely a result of the 18 hour callout.
The solution to that, IMHO, is to change the language so that PCS processes white slips all the way up until 0700E the day prior (same as PCS swaps). The caveat is that they would also need to add a “proffer only” option to the WS template to allow for second-day blanket WS that PCS will NOT process.
Agreed, if they're going to allow a SWP to run, then a WS should be run as well.
Funny enough, I'm starting to see trips that are sitting in open time on 2nd day, that aren't being given out until the day prior.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
