cencal83406

You’re right. L4 is still a manual process. But I could swear when I look I see something that shows that L4 is now automagic. I’ll request retraining.

tennisguru

I wish it was automatic. For some reason they can program L8/9 to be done automatically (and from my experience correctly) right away, but not L4. And you know lots of guys don’t know to check on it or to even look for it and lose money as a result.

RCAC

I am a reserve pilot. I had RRPY on one of my trips due to a cancellation and extra day on the road, which was a reserve day anyway. I don't entirely understand RRPY from a reserve perspective. Will I get that RRPY or not? Currently it is showing on my timecard as Pay, No Credit, but I have a sinking feeling it might count for naught.

TALPAtalker

Was it a cancellation, or just a flight that was delayed into the next day? A flight delayed into the next day which also happens to be a reserve day will not qualify for reroute pay.

However, reroute pay is additive, even for reserves. See p. 120 of the Scheduling Reference Handbook. The first duty period of a reroute pays at 1/2 pay no credit, and any subsequent duty period while still on the reroute (ie. not returned to your original rotation) is single pay, no credit. This can really add up, even when you are on reserve, because these items are paid on top of guarantee.

What reserves do not receive is Section 23 L. 8. pay, which is due when a reroute causes a pilot to be released more than 4 hours beyond the release time of the original rotation. Something similar, L. 9. pay, would be due if the reroute causes infringement of an x-day or regular line day off, which is not applicable here.

Please also see Negotiator's Notepad 24-03, Reroute Pay Treatment Examples, which discusses how to read the time card with respect to reroute pay. This is under the ALPA folder, PWA March 2023 Supporting Documents folder in Aerodocs.

RCAC

It was a flight that was cancelled and given a new number when we eventually operated it a day later.

Based on what you said about the reroute additive, I should get that RRPY amount. That is how it is showing on my time card Those duty periods definitely make it a significant number, being on top of guarantee.

Will definitely be reading up on the Negotiator's Notepad 24-03.

TALPAtalker

Oh good, you got the better version of flying into a reserve day. That should pay nicely. I had a similar thing happen during the Crowdstrike situation, but soon discovered it wasn't technically a reroute. I picked up a 1-day GS, only to have the second of 2 legs delay into the next day, which was a LC reserve day.

RCAC

Amen. Especially considering some of the folks in this thread have had problems getting RRPY at all....I wasn't sure what to expect but it showed up within a day or two of my trip ending so I didn't have to begin the process via Pilot Assist.

Appreciate your perspective.

cencal83406

I mean… I’m just telling you… to the extent that I can see the data… it’s placed on a pilots schedule automatically. Whether that means a scheduler hits a button I don’t know, but the words on the screen that I read seem to indicate automatic.

L8/9 has been for a long time - the only thing that’s not is the removal, since they have to manually go in and change if they believe it’s due to one of the exceptions.

BlueSkies

I don't WS trips very often. I just tried to WS a trip on the noon run that instead went to a pilot junior to me in a swap with the pot award. When I checked my WS it said "Does not meet contractual time limits". The trip signs in 2 days out. I thought even inside of the 2nd day 0700E PCS run you could still be awarded a WS? What glaringly obvious thing am I missing? TIA

crewdawg

Ya, it's an unfortunate byproduct of our new contract. The last time to WS via PCS is 0700, two days prior, after that WS are processed manually. But SWP will be processed via PCS until 0700 the day prior. Crappy if you're those of us shed our schedule then WS better trips, but a positive for those who can't/won't drop their schedule and have to count on SWP.