FangsF15

Nope, no recourse. Which is why a lot of folks include the PBS command: "Avoid Pairings if Carry Out >0 days"

Just be glad they didn't extend the trip by a day...

crewdawg

Anyone have a history of why the asterisk rotation is the way it is? It's never made sense to me that that they can just do mostly whatever they want for these rotations.

Herkflyr

It has always been this way. Be happy that our current contract actually has some limits and extra pay doled out that didn't exist in earlier years. Then, a two day transition trip could turn into a four day. I think it just comes down to our network folks constantly tweaking the schedule, and the very nature of month to month schedule changes for any airline. ALPA agreed to let the company make changes, so long as the changes were made no later than the publication of the following month's bid package, AND that the pilot is pay protected for the original value of the trip in month 1 when it was originally awarded. Our current contract adds pay/no credit for the additional duty period of any asterisk trip that was lengthened (and if there was any credit time for the trip, that would also be part of additional pay/no credit).

sailingfun

Its been here since the DC3. At least there are now protections in the contract from bidding a 2 day and ending up with a 4 or 5 day. The reason is somewhat obvious. There needs to be some way to tie the monthly schedules which are often different together.

crewdawg

I was here when that was a thing, I just never understood it. The bad part of the protection for current month is that all the credit is at the end of the trip, so the protection isn't all that great.



I guess it's not that obvious to me, but I've never asked how they're handled at other airlines and I can't remember what they did at AAL. Seems to me that the trip should just be flown as built, or DH home if they can't finish within the footprint of the trip. If the trip is shortened, you should be protected for the entire trip (get what you negotiate here I suppose). Extending it has never made sense. They way they view days off is very odd. I'm glad we have the protections we do now, but just working someone into an off day because of a schedule change makes zero sense. Along those lines, the golden day concept has never made sense. My time off is my time off and the only time I should ever work into a day off is if it's phyiscally impossible to get me home. Anyway, carry out has never really been an issue for me because I just avoid those trips, just found it an weird part of the contract.

Valar Morghulis

Golden days are a holdover from when inverse assignments were a bad thing, to be avoided. Gate agent would meet you at the jetway on Christmas Eve and say “Crewdog, you’re working tomorrow. Merry Christmas”.

Things have since evolved, but no point in removing them.

Trip7

I might be late to the game but has Virgin always been 2 pilot crew on ATL-LHR?!?

sailingfun

European airlines pretty much fly everything east of the Mississippi with a two man crew.

170Till5

European carriers use controlled rest

Trip7

That's wild. All this time I thought they had 3 as well.